Mini Challenge #7 - Ornate Armor

[blankslatejoe]

http://www.30lives.com/gaorg/minicomp7a.jpg

Theme:
Ornate Armor!

Brief:
Hot on the heels of the monstrous minicomp that was Minimoo Fighters, we've got something a bit different in line for this comp. In fact, I can't recall any other forum ever doing anything quite like it. The goal: model a single piece of armor. That's it.

What? Just a single piece of armor? Yep, it could be a helm, a shield, a breastplate, heck, a pair of gauntlets if you wish. There's a catch though--the limits/specs are high for this minicomp, and the emphasis is on ORNATE detail. That means we're looking for intricate and/or lush details. These armor pieces should look ceremonial, beautiful, and expensive. [/B Or just ornate. Whatever that means to you.


NOTE: There's been some concern about the high limits: Normal mapping and high-res sculpts/bakes are encouraged, but not required. A single piece of armor should still be just evening or weekend's worth or work, despite the high limits.

NOTE 2: To give everyone a similar jumping point, I've uploaded a presentation mesh here. (http://www.30lives.com/gaorg/armor_base.obj) [B](Right Click>Save As) This is just a flat, untextured model that you can 'dress up' like a paper doll. It's not a requirement to use it, since I don't want to limit us to JUST males, but the more people who use it the better! This model was donated by Arshevelon and JoshSingh (I think Arsh made it, but Josh has tweaked it a bit). Thanks guys!




For concept art, we are looking for the same, but in 2d . As always, backgrounds are optional. Pedestals are optional. Texturing/coloring is optional. Basically... everything is optional. This challenge is here for those desiring to practice their art and receive friendly advice from fellow artisans. So as mentioned in mini comp #1-6, keep it easy, keep it quick, and keep it real. Good Luck!


Please do not make a new thread for your entry. Keep all w.i.p shots in this specific thread.

The Specs:
- 1600 triangles maximum
- 1x512 diffuse
- Optional bonus maps: ANY/ALL are permitted. Make something pretty.


Final Submission:
You can submit your finals here:
http://www.gameartisans.org/contests/mini/character.html

Prizes:
1st place:
- 1 book from Amazon.com (up to $30 value)
- 1 new forum and gallery award icon for mini challenges
- 1 point towards raising your overal game, elite, and/or master rating
on gameartisans

2nd place:
- 1 book from Amazon.com (up to $20 value)
- 1 new forum and gallery award icon for mini challenges
- 1/2 point towards raising your overal game, elite, and/or master
rating on gameartisans

3rd place:
- 1 new forum and gallery award icon for mini challenges


Public Voting:
All Winners are chosen through a public voting system. Only GA.org
members may vote.


Deadline:
DEC 9th 11:59 p.m Eastern Time


All that said:
http://www.30lives.com/gaorg/getcracking.jpg

[damagecontrol]

Nov 9th?!

So you want us to get this done in the past? :-)

[QuikBE]

that pic is hilarious! Ha ha You mentioned in the next comp thread that you were going to put up a grey model so were all on the same page is that still the case??

[BuroKun]

can we have more then one entry?

[blankslatejoe]

whoops! thanks damage, fixed now.

Quikbe - working on it now. I don't think we should require usage of it, since it's a male model (and I could see some people here having a lot of fun modeling chick breastyplates), but yeah, I'm uploading it now:)

burokun - well....yes and no..you can post as many entries here in the progress thread as you'd like, but only one can be submitted in the end. This is a limit of how the submission system currently works. So, you'd have to pick your favorite entry to be your 'final' to get voted on.

[damagecontrol]

we can still enter both 3d and concept as long as they're different, right?

[QuikBE]

thats cool I was thinking about either doing a female breast plate or a shield any way but im still unsure

[Revliss]

thinking of making a booth but is the model have to be fantasy or i can do a sci-fi model

[blankslatejoe]

sci fi is fine, so long as its armor--- and ornate

[Parnell]

Wow this mesh has some mammoth toes!

[XenoZiden]

Do we need to use the Mesh, or can it just be the Armor piece?

[blankslatejoe]

you can just have the armor piece if youd like

[goffskullz]

say we wanted to do gauntlets, only hypothetically of course ;)

obviously they could be the same and use the same maps for each glove, but what about the polycount would it be 1600 per glove if there the same, or 800 max per glove. obviously this is assuming the gloves would be the same i'm sure someone could make a set of 2 different gloves. this is assuming in the final setup i show both gloves because i think it would look nicer.

[Darksun]

very interesting compo! Don't think i'll join this one, but it'll be interesting to see what happens!

[MasteroftheFork]

This sounds like a cool idea. I look forward to seeing all the interesting designs people come up with! I want to join but don't think I can, school projects are picking up. We'll see though.

[-JL-]

Interesting... think I'll give it a go... :)

And I'm interested also on what the answer would be for goffskullz's question.

And I know that figurine in the title image... Echidna is it not, from Queen's Blade? :p

[Deto]

One quickie question.. The base mesh, we can tweak it right? To change muscularity or fatness :)

[TryForce]

are shields allowed? or only stuff wich can be attached to a body?

Animal armor too?

[blankslatejoe]

obviously they could be the same and use the same maps for each glove, but what about the polycount would it be 1600 per glove if there the same, or 800 max per glove. .

Interesting question. If the gauntlets are absolutely IDENTICAL, then you can render one on each hand, each one up to 1600. You're basically just providing us with two renders of the same model in that case. So, no, in that case you would not need to drop the count to 800 per glove. If each glove is unique (a different model/look/variant) then COMBINED they cannot surpass the 1600 limit.

This solution gets a little tricky when it comes to someone who wants to model a whole suit of armor... but we'll address that problem if it comes up.


@darksun and Masterofthefork - cooomee on guys...you know you want to enter...!

JL - yup. It's also one of the first google results when you search for "Hot Chick Armor"

deto - you can tweak the mesh if you like. It was provided to give everyone a similar start point, that's all.

tryforce - shields are allowed. Animal armor is allowed too, just make it ornate :-)


ill be out of town for a few days starting this afternoon, so if there's any super pressing questions, message FredH. Otherwise I'll try and jump back on on friday or saturday. Happy tday everyone!

[Miguelito]

I want to see the whole pic of that chick!

[Parnell]

I PM'd you about the gauntlet thing Joe.
B

[Fenixy]

shoulders is part of breastplate?

[Ramseus]

I'm doing an old nordic helm that was lost, and lay at the mercy of the elements for countless generations. It's appearance suggests that it once belonged to a noble and couragous king, his name forever lost to history.

...and now let's see if I can convey that in imagery.

[katana]

Genre shouldn't matter right?

[KamuiTenshi]

Well, I'm glad the deadline isn't until the 9th of December. It leaves me time to spend time with the family and get those other 2 projects i gotta do done. But I'm debating weather i should do Valkyrie armor or a Samurai helmet and face mask for this one.

[Ramseus]

Katana, Joe's already basically said that no, genre doesn't matter.

sci fi is fine, so long as its armor--- and ornate

[Ramseus]

http://tyler.brenot.ca/wip/misc/nhconcept.jpg

I'll be damned if I'm going to shade that. :lol:

[Darksun]

Eowyn? heh. :D

[TonyEdwards]

http://img160.imageshack.us/img160/382/gaminichallenge07concepqp1.jpg

[Beartastic]

Cool start, guys.

Nice viking helm Ramseus. That'll be some fun detail to put in.

Tony, I really like the dog armour. Interested to see how it shapes up.

Here's something. I was thinking of making an ornate codpiece instead but the cyber kabuki idea kept popping back in.

[ryuju]

Im going in on this one too but im not sure what im gonna do, never did somethhing like this before

[Japhir]

cool stuff guys!
i tink i'm gonna do this one, not my image though:
http://www.askasia.org/images/teachers/display/762.jpg

[kirilot]

darn ramseus, u beat me to it, guess ill dive into reasearch for something more ineteresting

[YdoUwant2know]

I voted for it, so sure as hell I'm doing it. just need to figure out what I'm doing... hope to come up with a concept sometime this weekend.

Happy Turkey Day!!!

[damagecontrol]

arrgghh! damn! Japhir! You beat me!

[-JL-]

I want to see the whole pic of that chick!

Here you go! (http://www.hobbyfan.com/product_info.php?products_id=4820) :inocent:

[ivars]

Hey guys. This is my first post here. Looking forward to spending some quality time at this forum :D

Here's my initial concept, not very ornate yet, just the basic idea. Inspired by a Warthog.

[zabuza2k]

great look iivaris

[-JL-]

Nice one Ivars! :)

I was thinking of using an animal shape also in some way.

[KamuiTenshi]

uggg damn Japhir is right damage, looks like I'll be working on that Valkyrie Armor then. Anyways off to the drawing board I go.

[zann]

Tony ~ ok tis is different :thumb:
MBT ~ cant wait to c it in 3d :)
ivar ~ wow inspiring piece :rolleyes:

cheers

[ivars]

Thanks!
Started with some modeling....
not sure about the horns I added to the side of his head, they make him look more like a warthog, and add a better balance to the head, but also makes him look stupid.
What do you think?

[bahlswede]

I really like where thats going Ivars

[vied]

yeah, I really enjoy watching your work ivars! it look so cool :cool:

[Japhir]

@damagecontrol: lol go ahead and do it to of you like, i don't have a problem with that :D

@ivars: coming along nicely! maybe if you ad a very subtle curve to the nose it will make it a bit less dumb-looking. i like it !

[Japhir]

made a quick start, still gotta add some detail on the top of the helmet and make things thick etc. what do you guys think, should i also model the mask that comes with the helmet (with ropes etc.) or should i just leave it like this?
one of many reference images: http://www.bonesandblades.co.uk/catalog/images/S5560.jpg
http://img146.imageshack.us/img146/9854/samuraihelmetwipph8.jpg
C&C welcome!

[KamuiTenshi]

Hey Japhir, nice helm so far. I'd say if you could fit the face mask in do. I can't wait to see what you do with.

Anyways since Japhir's doing the samurai helm I'm gonna do the Valkyrie chest armor. Here's the concept for it.
http://i239.photobucket.com/albums/ff281/KamuiTenshi/ValkyrieArmor.jpg

[XenoZiden]

Right now I'm thinking of some kind of Tacky One-Arm Armor.

[Issie]

Hi, I am making a simple shield with a bit Chinese and Japanese ornate.
The concept is not ready and I am not quite happy with the outer part of the shield.
The middle of the shield will have a Phoenix bird.
What do you think?

Plus my teacher (Ivars) asked me to participate.

[KamuiTenshi]

sweet Issie, i like the design. Welcome to GameArtisans.

[Razorb]

ace work ivars ! :D nice model and nice design :)

[davidhalo]

Just doodling a concept for now following A Good Sealing Evil Cross scheme type Gaunlet

http://i72.photobucket.com/albums/i170/debido21/Gauntlet_FirstConcept1.jpg

Gonna look at more spiritual examples and change it up add a lot of more...lush....ness ? XD
Later days

[Jackablade]

How strict are we being on the "one piece of armour" thing? KamuiTenshi's piece would be at made up of least 4 seperate componants (surcoat, breastplate, spaulders). It'd be helpful to know whether thats allowable before we go into the design process.

[Vailias]

I think it would be "one major piece as loaded in a game setting"
So a full torso, full arms or just gauntlets, thigh pads, greaves or boots.

I think the idea is that you have 1700 triangles to really push the detail of the low poly piece to fit the high poly, or do a slightly larger piece of armor.

[Japhir]

i hope people won't drop out here because of the new challenge!
here is a small update, i tried improving my presentation skills too, just because i felt like doing that :P
http://img128.imageshack.us/img128/2641/samuraihelmetwipkn7.jpg
i tink i won't be able to model the mask too, since some stuff needs to be done with the shell modifier too etc... so either no mask or scraping some polys.. watcha think?

C&C most welcome!

[YdoUwant2know]

Cut the poly in your cords, and lets see that mask. you might also condsider simplifying the ornate "horns" (for lack of better term) and using alpha mapping to get the detail there. it will give you a much smother edge with a lot less tri.

[Ramseus]

Aside from the general lumpiness (thou shalt be smoothed in later days, ye foul lumps), I'm about ready to move onto the ornate part. The mohawk type thing looks horrid, I probably should've modelled that... whatever, it won't have any normal mappable detail on it anyways.

http://tyler.brenot.ca/wip/misc/nhwip01.jpg

[chai]

I was working on some stuff for a shield pack, and this comp was a good excuse for me to push myself and add some sculpts into the designs.

I'll call it done, but feel free to crit as I'll keep it in mind for future works :)
Here are some pics :

http://www.svartberg.com/wip/metal_shield_gameartisan.jpg
http://www.svartberg.com/wip/ScreenShot190.jpg
http://www.svartberg.com/wip/ScreenShot182.jpg

[Razorb]

sexy work chai ! so the whole normal map was done in zb3 ? :O i thought that was mainly used for organic things .. i dunno but it really looks nice good job!

[sage]

Love the designs Chai really good stuff.

Alex

[damagecontrol]

awesome shield design. How did you get those patterns done so well?

[Ramseus]

Holy hand cramps Batman, my hand is cramped up! Need to define the stuff more.

http://tyler.brenot.ca/wip/misc/nhwip02.jpg

[ryuju]

Ivars- wow that helmet is killer even without the texture yet cant wait to see it finished.
Issie- thats some pretty clean looking work very nice
Ramseus- the helmet is looking great i really like the work you've put into it so far keep going!
as for me i have yet to come up with a concept... gotta look up some more reference

[chai]

How did you get those patterns done so well?

Ah, a high subd level, and masking before applying the deformation so it comes out even.
Some of the masks I had to manipulate in PS for more control ...

[Japhir]

http://img526.imageshack.us/img526/7038/samuraihelmetwipxr6.jpg

yaay lowpoly done! :D
...
:uhh:
now why did I join this challenge? I hate doing high-poly stuff :brick: :rolleyes:

;) :D
what do you guys think? zbrush or highpoly in max? which would be faster/better etc?

[TryForce]

what do you guys think? zbrush or highpoly in max? which would be faster/better etc?

1px painting FTW! :thumb:

[Japhir]

what do you mean? drawing just diffuse or making my normal map in photohsop? (sounds like a good idea too... lazyness=good!)

[butt_sahib]

@jagphir:
Looks great,
Would definately go with zb with its stencil features.
BUt that doesnt mean you cant use max's advantages aswell ::)

Rams:
I favourite atm ;)

[Issie]

Hi, finished with the design now, I kinda like it but not sure about the tail feathers. I will start modeling next week.
I have to move this weekend so...

[blankslatejoe]

Hey everyone, I'm back! Great work going on in here; I'll get to work on an entry during lunch!

ivars - thats one crazy design--I like the animal influence! It might be cool to see some highfrequency detail in a few places though--the concept looks like it'll just be the metalforms undecorated.

issie - i like it...but I actually prefer the perimeter of your first design over the second one. thats just a matter of taste though--both look cool.

davidhalo- yours will lend itself well to multiple material types..that fabric mixed with the silver will look nice.

chai - great so far--its very 'gray' though, and could use some color variation. For instance, some weathering along the sides, or in the grooves might help the design pop more. Or, some weathering along the back, where the clasp joins the metal might help sell it as finished. All the designs are looking good though! Nice zbrush work :)


mbt - my favorite so far--that will look awesome once you build it!

tonyedwards --dog armor...now that's original!

kamuia- its nice to see someone going the torso route..I'm looking forward to seeing how this turns out!

ramseus - thats a lot of work! Some of the details still feel a bit soft--but getting something rigid out of mudbox is dang near impossible. Perhaps at the end you could make a pinching pass to help differentiate the corroded areas from the, well, noncorroded areas. Anyway, looks good!

japhir - i like it a lot--the mask will lend itself to some nice texturework

[typhus22]

wow another scary as hell comp full of really talented people! here i was thinking most folks would be busy with the wii challenge. anyhoot, heres my humble contribution:

http://lauch3d.com/GladiatorHelm01.JPG

its a gladiator helm though i think it will be much more apparent once i do up the face plate. anyhoot, cya!

[Japhir]

typhus: very cool! love the lion head on the front!
question: if you have the lowpoly and import it in zbrush, when you click devide several times it will get really thin and with round corners etc. any way to get back to the basic shape again? so i won't lose form?

[typhus22]

hey man glaad u like it :P

as for keeping the shape, just uncheck the SMT (subdivide Smooth modifier) box in the Geometry tab. its right next to the Divide button. hope this helps

[Mtg_kirin]

Hey hope this isnt spamming. But I just joined the forums and wanted to know how often yall put this mini comps on?

O and Japhir liking how yours is coming out.

[kirilot]

started on some baseline concepting....i might flesh the rest of it out on model but ill prolly toy with this untill the end of tonight

crits appreciated

typhus- lookin pretty cool, semi nautical?

kirin - they happen about every 3 weeks or so? im sure someone can give you something more exact..

i was realy tempted to do a skull xexe, theres just so many ways you can take this baseline...

[blankslatejoe]

yup, mtg_kirin, they happen about once every three weeks, with about 3-5 days in between each for voting and discussion on what the next theme will be. There's a major comp much less regularly..it seems to be about once every 2-3 months or so, but the prizes are much bigger for those.

These minicomps are just meant to get us all inspired and to help get the community thriving with things to do.

-joe

[Mtg_kirin]

Ya im not really skilled. Pretty new. But Competitions always get me inspired and I also learn so Will try to enter the next.

[KamuiTenshi]

hey guys, stiff competition here just like last time. Typhus that gladiator helm is looking sweet. Issie I like the phoenix on that shield, and Japhir... sweet low poly I like the mask on your Samurai helm.
Anyways I just finished up the low poly versions of the chain mail skirt and plate mail corset.

http://i239.photobucket.com/albums/ff281/KamuiTenshi/ValkyrieArmorScreen.jpg
http://i239.photobucket.com/albums/ff281/KamuiTenshi/ValkyrieArmorScreenBack.jpg

[kirilot]

got a chance to go to the national gallery(US) and they have these two helmets there that fit right into this comp. Buncha baroque celery in spiral patterns! If someone really likes these feel free to use the sketches as reference....i kind of did inadvertently in my design. They need some cleanup but the baselines there and some room left for interpretation. But now i can define my design a bit more with this little bit of borrowed inspiration.

[chai]

can't submit finals btw ... :(

[Japhir]

great stuff everybody!
i worked some more on the lowpoly, and managed to remove lots of not-so-important-verts so i added some more detail and now i still have 50 tris left... don't really know what to do with those.
oh, and i removed the "eyebrow" part of the mask, since after looking through some references without the helmet itself i saw that the real masks don't have the eyebrows either.
hope you like it!
http://img160.imageshack.us/img160/5919/samuraihelmetwipdg9.jpg

i decided to not do a sculpt :p just because i'm lazy and unwilling to learn new stuff... (now that i think about it it sounds really stupid ;)) but i might learn how to paint normal maps in photoshop, for the really small detail

[blankslatejoe]

chai...are you sure you're logged in with the 'remember me' option ticked..sometimes that can thwart submissions...

Also, for anyone who wants to check to see if their entry has correctly uploaded, here is the checking link:
http://www.gameartisans.org/contests/mini/7/view_entries.php

[vied]

Also, for anyone who wants to check to see if their entry has correctly uploaded, here is the checking link:
http://www.gameartisans.org/contests/mini/7/view_entries.php

joe, I think you miss type the title pages... it says Halloween Avatars.. :s

[Japhir]

quick and dirty color blockin, mostly low-res photosourced just to get a basic idea.
http://img122.imageshack.us/img122/8949/samuraihelmetwipnu0.jpg
i think i'm gonna try making normals with either nvida (photoshop) or xnormal or just paining it.
hope you like it!

[serum]

I'm going to take a crack at this helm.

[hula]

Heya,
I want to enter this comp. with a concept like this.
http://www.hula.ca/fox1.jpg
I will use this as a base and go from there. Just want to make sure you guys are cool with that. Also, I have a question immediately. Does anyone know if/how i can make the shoulder bits have the 2 color effect?

thanks,
~ chris

[KamuiTenshi]

Hey guys, finished the low res of my model. After reviewing my concept it didn't look like a functional piece of armor so I changed a few things. Anyways here are some pics of my final low res model, off to UV map and add in the ornate details. c/c welcome.

http://i239.photobucket.com/albums/ff281/KamuiTenshi/ValkyrieArmorComplete.jpg

http://i239.photobucket.com/albums/ff281/KamuiTenshi/ValkyrieArmorCompleteSide.jpg

http://i239.photobucket.com/albums/ff281/KamuiTenshi/ValkyrieArmorCompleteBack.jpg

[ryuju]

wow KamuiTenshi that looks really awesome cant wait to see this

[Ramseus]

I forgot about adding on the chainmail until after I finished unwrapping and all, darn. Oh well, I would have to sacrifice too much UV space for it anyways. Low poly came out just under 1400 tris (smoooothness), I'll see if I can squeeze out some more detail. WIP on the texturing, realtime viewport rendering. I'll fix the 1 px UV's on the edges before I'm done.

http://tyler.brenot.ca/wip/nhwip03.jpg

[kirilot]

Thats aWesome rams

just a rough bake from me...

[Mtg_kirin]

wow Ramseus very nice :D

[butt_sahib]

ram :D looks excellent!
so we have a winner! :)

JUst spend as much time as u can on the specular maps. Thats all i can say tbh

[chai]

chai...are you sure you're logged in with the 'remember me' option ticked..sometimes that can thwart submissions...

Also, for anyone who wants to check to see if their entry has correctly uploaded, here is the checking link:
http://www.gameartisans.org/contests/mini/7/view_entries.php

I'm getting an error page ...

Not Found
The requested URL /contests/mini//finals.php was not found on this server.

Additionally, a 404 Not Found error was encountered while trying to use an ErrorDocument to handle the request.

[FredH]

Chai --> When do you get that error exactly? I ran a test and I was able to submit a test entry. Is there a button you press to see that error? Also, are you using IE or Firefox?

[ivars]

Heya,
Does anyone know if/how i can make the shoulder bits have the 2 color effect?


Hey Chris! Nice to see you here!
Nice idea for a armor you've got. You could try using a colored specular map with a bright yellow specular and a high eccentricity value, to give you a nice wide specular.

Ramseus: Great work!

[ivars]

There's some inspiring pieces in here.

Here's an update. Done modeling the highpoly version, and will start with the lowpoly soon.
There will be lots of ornaments and small detail as soon as I get to texturing. I've been gathering references for the type of patterns I'm going to use.

[Ramseus]

Nice high-poly, I can't wait to see what you do for the ornamentation.

[typhus22]

wow ivars that is slick! i love that design! i hope u finish him body and all!
really slick stuff all around, im amazed u guys are kicking this much ass considering the main contest is running at the same time. anyways, this has been a really rough week for me on a personal level so i have had no time to work on this till today. i did the high res like a long time ago so i finally started texturing. anyways, hope u guys like it and remember its a WIP

http://lauch3d.com/GladiatorHelm02.jpg

[chai]

Chai --> When do you get that error exactly? I ran a test and I was able to submit a test entry. Is there a button you press to see that error? Also, are you using IE or Firefox?

I choose the file to upload, press the upload button, it loads a bit then gives me the error page.

I tried using Opera and IE.

[BuroKun]

@ivars - TEXTURE!!!

[vied]

hi all !
here's mine so far... :confused:
http://img147.imageshack.us/img147/6830/viedaldebaranarmorjz0.jpg

[BuroKun]

@vied - O.O nice

[vied]

hi buro! thanks.. now I must squeeze my brain to texture it :flag:

[Ramseus]

Way to have two pieces of armor there, Vied. :p

[chai]

Hi, finished with the design now, I kinda like it but not sure about the tail feathers. I will start modeling next week.
I have to move this weekend so...

A lot of it will be hard to notice on initial glimpse (think of diffuse and resolution constraints), but you shouldn't worry about that as it looks cool as a whole - love the patterns :)

What program/technique did you use to achieve this radial symmetry ?
Did you make it one part at a time, then mirrored to check how it looks or was it in realtime ?
I have a lot of work envolving patterns and such, and could really use better methods, thanks :)

[ivars]

I'm having a hard time deciding on how to do with the inside of my mesh.....
Should I assume the helmet will always be attached to a head, and therefore, no need to model an inside, or should it be a piece of it's own, with both sides modeled..... hmmmm.
I'm running out of polys fast, if I am to model both sides.

[confracto]

here's my entry so far. I took me far to long to decide what I wanted to do. I also felt I wanted to do something darker, so here you go, Skelly-Spaulders.

[Beartastic]

Haha confracto that's awesome. Great stuff going on in this comp, guys. Looking forward to seeing more of the lowpolys become sculpts.

[Ramseus]

The unded just can't stop raving about their new helmets. Raaaaaaave, raaaaaaaaaaaaaaave, braaaaaaaaaaaains, raaaaaaaaaaave.

http://tyler.brenot.ca/wip/misc/nhwip04.jpg

[BuroKun]

lol, AWeSOME Ramseus!

[Issie]

A lot of it will be hard to notice on initial glimpse (think of diffuse and resolution constraints), but you shouldn't worry about that as it looks cool as a whole - love the patterns :)

What program/technique did you use to achieve this radial symmetry ?
Did you make it one part at a time, then mirrored to check how it looks or was it in realtime ?
I have a lot of work envolving patterns and such, and could really use better methods, thanks :)

My english is not so good so you have to have a oversight for it, I will try to explain as good as I can.

I used Illustator as my main program, and gather lots of refersers to make the patters.
I made 2 "symbols" of same type and place one of them under the first one so it would be in a straight line.

After that I made the 2 symbols a group so it would be easier to copy both without choosing one at the time.
Then I copy the group and rotated them to 90 degress. so it would be like a cross.

After that just copy the group and rotate them so It builds a round ring.

I just have to pray that you will understand that.
It takes 5 years for a person to understand me.
Otherwise ask Ivars , He knows me.

[ivars]

Cool work everyone! That viking helmet looks kick ass! Nice corpse too :P

Issie: It only took me 2 years :cool:

I feel that I made things harder for myself by doing a design that opens up... It forced me to model a lot of the inside as well, but after some optimizing it's now exactly at 1600 tris, and it has enough geometry to be animated :thumb:

[chai]

My english is not so good so you have to have a oversight for it, I will try to explain as good as I can.

I used Illustator as my main program, and gather lots of refersers to make the patters. ...

Thanks for the illustrated explanation, your english is fine.
It looks like a lot of tedious work to rotate those manually, you need quite some foresight to design those.

I did some playing around today while working on my 3rd shield batch (http://www.svartberg.com/wip/gothic_battle_shield_04.jpg) and managed to get a nice way to mirror in photoshop - basically record an action which contains duplicating the layer, and rotating it as many times as you need - that way you can mirror by pressing one button :)

I know illustrator transform is kinda weird, which might explain why you had to copy the symbol down to rotate it, I don't know if you can apply my method to illustrator as I haven't gotten my head around it's crazy transformation :)

blankslatejoe: Great the submission works fine for me now :)

[Issie]

I did some playing around today while working on my 3rd shield batch (http://www.svartberg.com/wip/gothic_battle_shield_04.jpg) and managed to get a nice way to mirror in photoshop - basically record an action which contains duplicating the layer, and rotating it as many times as you need - that way you can mirror by pressing one button :)

I know illustrator transform is kinda weird, which might explain why you had to copy the symbol down to rotate it, I don't know if you can apply my method to illustrator as I haven't gotten my head around it's crazy transformation :)


It is way easier in photoshop but I wanted to make the sheild design in Illustator because of Vector graphics instead of Pixel graphics (PS). So I can transform the patterns without losing to much information on the form whether I scale them big or small.
So it would look nice in the big picture.

I just proberly missed the PS function in Illustator just because I was dumb not to notice it.:think:

Ivars: Your are my boyfriend, we meet everyday and spend 24/7 together and
I miss you :cry:

[FredH]

Ivars --> The shape of that helm is looking awesome man. Nuff said. Lookding forward to seeing more progress on it.

Ramseus --> Lol:lol: It's nice to finish early I see hehe I am not sure what you are going to hand in as a final, however, careful, your helmet is being lost in your latest image because the undead have the same color tones. Still, really cool image:D

[blankslatejoe]

chai - good to hear, great shields!

ivars - looks fantastic! I love the animalistic look


ramseus - looks good, it nails the ancient--but ornamental..like some sort of recovered relic, perfectly!

confracto - that is an amazing idea, looks good so far - finish it !!

vied - nice! I love the high gorget.neckpiece


awesome stuff everyone, we're down to the last few days! ive been working on one too-kinda of orc/ogre helmet. Ill post it tonight!

[ivars]

Hey, thanks guys!

Here's a little update. Far from done. I've baked the normalmaps from the highpoly, and they turned out ok. I've been working on some ornaments as a displacementmap, and this is just a quick test of that.

[Ramseus]

FredH - That was being lit by a big warm light source, so that could add to everything having the same general hue. I think I need to sharpen the mip-maps though, the automatically generated ones have no sharpness at all.

confracto - sweet pauldron

Ivars - keep on trucking

[Orkze]

Hey Ivars
love the design!

but if you ask me, I would stick with celtic ornaments

cheers

[Eclipse]

O so nice Ivars, I love the design and execution, great stuff man.

[blankslatejoe]

ivars -- hmm, the ornaments, while very cool, do seem to fight with the animal look of the mask. I dont know what the solution would be though--I had the same problem on mine too and dropped the ornament down to just simple shapes. It still looks certainly kickbutt though--I love how the hinge works.

here's my contribution so far. I'm struggling with high poly sculpting, but learning. I'm still pretty new to zbrush, though I'm getting the hang of it better and better every day.
I'm not sure what it is--some kind of orc/ogre helmet---looking at it now, it looks way too much like a 'face' and not like a helmet. Might have to reexamine some things I think..

http://www.30lives.com/wips/sketchbook/12_6_07a.jpg

[kirilot]

Ivars: it looks to me as if it has india decent i know its supposed to be a warthog but i keep seeing the guy riding the war elephant wearing it,

congracto : thats just great

and the zombies are too hilarious
joe: thats prety sick looks like a bit of a tauren feeder

any how heres mine atm. any suggestions would greatly be appreciated as im not sure where to go, i have a general idea so im just gonna keep pushing

[zabuza2k]

kirilot thats amazing wokr man need now shoulder armor^^

[Japhir]

some really nice stuff you guys got there!
here is an update for yah:
http://img520.imageshack.us/img520/6739/samuraihelmetwipdx4.jpg
obviously still WIP

[yoyomon]

Seeing some great stuff in here.

Confracto: I think it'll look a little nicer on a shoulder piece that is all one piece instead of multiple sections. Mainly because I think the skeletons would hinder the advantage of having multiple sections and consisting of a single piece will give the skeletons a more solid base to sit upon (being carved out of?)

Ramseus: Great looking helm. That last image kinda reminds me of oblivion.

Ivars: Great design! I kinda wonder if the space between the eyes are a bit too wide, but that's being nik picky. Still, I can't wait to see the finish piece.

BlankSlateJoe: When I initally saw it, the first thing that came into mind, besides ork, was those deep sea diver metal helms. Probably because of the bulky sternum piece. Shaping up to be pretty interesting, chin is kinda flat though.

Kilrot: Looking nice! That little area that looks like a drop of rain with a smiley face looks kinda out of place. Perhaps add an emblem or something. The pointy chin is a bit plain. The dark like kinda makes the bottom section look like a weak point.

Japhir: Instead of using pure black and white, how about some light and dark chromatic grays. Right now, I think the black and with are kinda overpowering.

[Ramseus]

Ramseus: Great looking helm. That last image kinda reminds me of oblivion.

......because it is. I just plopped some undead in front of a wall and put my helm on them........

[Japhir]

thanks yoyomon. i don't really understand what you mean by black... there are only dark blues which i colorpicked from my reference images. the helmet part was pretty hard to do, 'couse actually it is very shiny (no idea how to make that with plain diffuse, maybe with the specular?)
well anyways, i did some crazybumping and lots of retoutching it photoshop. still lost of cleaning up to do, but i really need to get used to working on a per-channel based way. ok no more talking:
http://img149.imageshack.us/img149/7513/samuraihelmetwipoy9.jpg
C&C welcome!

[serum]

Looking good, guys.

Here's my helm...

[vied]

Pheeeeeeeeeewwwwwwwww......... :p
Hi all !
I Had troubles submit mine :confused:
The requested URL /contests/mini//finals.php was not found on this server....
I've tried couple of time and still didn't show up..
so here's mine... :lucky:
http://img524.imageshack.us/img524/9908/viedarmoraldebaranzw3.jpg

cheers :inocent:

[serum]

Wow vied, that looks great!

[Japhir]

great stuff vied! really like it! don't you need a wireframe view in your final too?
i finished too.
http://www.gameartisans.org/contests/mini/uploaded_minichallanges_images/7-character-603-1197208238-img.jpg

[vied]

hi serum and Japhir ! thanks
I already put the wireframe as the background :o
here another one just for you :D
http://img204.imageshack.us/img204/8496/wirealdebaranvieddi5.jpg

[blankslatejoe]

vied, im not sure why it's not letting you submit.

try logging out from game artisans, and then re-logging in with the 'remember me' option checked. nice entry btw. :)

[Ramseus]

nooooooooooo I thought the max was 1700 tris! Arrrgh, I thought I was done but now I have to cut out 100 tris :brick:

edit: Easier done than said, my flaps weren't optimized at all and were eating up oodles of excess triangles. Realtime and whatnot.

http://tyler.brenot.ca/wip/misc/nhfinal.jpg


Vied, that's some snazzy work there.

[chai]

vied: ahh, that's so awesome man !
The normals seem a bit flat though (as if the armor isn't made of different pieces) - though it does make it look more like fantasy drawn art - so I guess it's just a different look ...

Try to logout and login in explorer, select your file and be sure to hit the upload button before you hit submit :)

[ivars]

Hey guys! Awesome work everybody!

Ramseus: That helmet turned out great! Good thing it was easy to optimize.

Vied: Kick ass texture! I can't believe how you managed to get such a crisp result with only a 512 texture :eek:

I've submitted my final now, but it's hard to squeeze everything in to only one image.
It looks so much better with a 1k texture :cry:
But here's another render of it, from all angles and what not:

[ryuju]

wow ivars, that is just beautiful, would you mind telling me what you rendered that in, is that in a game engine?

[KamuiTenshi]

Hey guys, just wanted to say that due to the other project I had to do taking so long, i will regrettably have to drop out of this comp. But that doesn't mean I'll quit working on the armor, in fact I planned on using it at part of a larger piece. So I'll be posting WIPs of that after these finals are done.

[vied]

hi all !
I forgot to press the upload button ! :brick:

hi chai! yeah, me cannot sculpt yet so I just convert the normal map in photoshop :inocent:
hi ivars! yuppie.. it is 512 tex 72dpi.. I use 4 light no gi :D

[blankslatejoe]

man you guys are rocking away in here!

kiril--dont forget to submit!

[kirilot]

awesome work all, GJ!! to all the people who finished

thanks joe :P

i did

didnt get as much time to spend with it as i would have liked and had alot of issues but at least ill know better next time

[chai]

Some really nice and inspiring work here guys, keep it rocking :)

[ThatDon]

ivars: that is just plain cool man, good job!

[ivars]

vied: :D Didn't mean to sound like I thought you were cheating :P
I'm just amazed by the crispy goodness of that texture!

ryuju: It's just a screenshot from the Maya viewport with High Quality Rendering.

[damagecontrol]

yo kiril. Helmet looks good!

[vied]

:lol: thanks ivars! :o

[typhus22]

hey Ramseus did u make the deadline? i didnt see ur entry in the finals page?

[blankslatejoe]

yeah! I dont see it either. Did you submit it ramseus?

[Ramseus]

I just missed the submit button is all.

[EricElwell]

duuuuude... sucks! I liked yours