Dominance War II Results - April 30th [Archive]

indian_boy

04-23-2007, 11:14 PM

wait wait wait wait wait! lemme g3t this straight.

All the judges votes are in, all the wallpapers are in, and the entire dominance war site has been revised.

and yet we have to wait till the 30th! Isn't that like, evil torture which is generally against the law for being inhumane?
argh! i can't wait that loooong!
well, anyways, i look forward to the the pink and yellow site [or what was it].

cheers
-indian_boy

_Vincento_

04-24-2007, 08:08 AM

Awwwwwww cool I just come back in Belgium (i've been in france to vote my futur President :D)

Thank you Fred, maybe you could update the Dominance page Announcement:think:

_Vincent

miezis

04-24-2007, 09:02 AM

oh, the agony!!!

FredH

04-24-2007, 11:01 AM

_Vincento_ --> Done:)

ThatDon

04-24-2007, 01:31 PM

Maybe now you will have some time to finish up Lohkmar?

FredH

04-24-2007, 01:36 PM

Yeah! I am really itching to finish her up! All my time has been taken by gameartisans and domwar but soon... soon I will be reunited with my lovely former entry...soon..:2thumbs:

Kus Umok

04-24-2007, 05:34 PM

Hell yea after so much time the results are finally here. I just cant wait.

Shinja

04-25-2007, 01:10 AM

oh noooo the results...... well done and thanks to the judges for taking their precious time to write up the results.

Bbox85

04-25-2007, 09:14 PM

Ksh... 5 days and counting...Ksh... 5 days... 5 days and counting... Ksh..

Asmuel

04-25-2007, 10:30 PM

I cant takes it! :brick: I dont have any expectations but I want to see teh results :brick:

FredH

04-26-2007, 01:05 AM

Almost there. Just 5 days left. Hmm, it's kind of long when you think about it:p I am not helping am I? hehe

Gavin

04-26-2007, 01:11 AM

*checks his watch*

miezis

04-26-2007, 02:20 AM

this is officially the longest month of my life!

Taehoon

04-26-2007, 12:54 PM

4 more days.. I can't wait any more ^^... .... :uhh:

nacire

04-27-2007, 01:18 AM

3 more days to halloween, halloween, halloween...

3 more days to halloween, silver shamrock!

Asmuel

04-29-2007, 07:35 AM

Well its the 30th now... where I am atleast :excite:

ps. excite smiley = pwnage

Bbox85

04-29-2007, 03:49 PM

1 day!! Woo Hoo! I don't know why I'm so excited... but woo hoo!

Frozan

04-29-2007, 04:53 PM

Yeah Win Win!

bounchfx

04-29-2007, 05:10 PM

so is this like a stroke of midnight thing or during the day sometime? any clues?

george.vas

04-29-2007, 09:08 PM

Don't think it will be at the stroke of Midnight but I might have a stoke at midnight. hahaa.....:D

Hito

04-29-2007, 10:14 PM

I predict... 1 week extension! :D :D :D :D

I kid I kid.

george.vas

04-29-2007, 11:12 PM

I predict... 1 week extension!

Hahaha... dude I almost fell off my chair when I read that, good one. Well it's officially the 30th... and the clock starts ticking... :eek:

Oink

04-30-2007, 07:29 AM

Hello? ;O

Its 14 hours into april 30th now. Gief results... PLEASE! :)

miezis

04-30-2007, 07:57 AM

that's the time in forgotten Europe! Fredy boy is from Montreal, Canada that means GMT-5h. he's probably having his morning coffee now :)

kongni

04-30-2007, 08:02 AM

I predict... 1 week extension! :D :D :D :D

I kid I kid.

HAR! N1:lucky:

tick...tick....tick....tick....

_Vincento_

04-30-2007, 08:27 AM

that's the time in forgotten Europe! Fredy boy is from Montreal, Canada that means GMT-5h. he's probably having his morning coffee now :)

Haha right
it's Eastern time canada so it 5 more hours for the european people Grrrrrr :brick:
Take your time Fred take your time :D :mad:

_Vincent

typhus22

04-30-2007, 09:45 AM

i see a change on the website, is the results still today? damn i'm really excited to see who won this one.

_Vincento_

04-30-2007, 10:26 AM

Yes it is today Typus22, we are all excited :p

Kus Umok

04-30-2007, 11:16 AM

Yea today is the day. No its not chritsmas it the Dominace War II results day. Its DWII day.

wizo5454

04-30-2007, 12:01 PM

cant wait.!!!... one monitor is constantly refreshing dwii.com :) jk.

paultosca

04-30-2007, 12:05 PM

...i stuck a toothpick in my F5 key on my keyboard ... damn ...

Bbox85

04-30-2007, 12:20 PM

Lol, maybe we should lay off so he can upload the new site...

paultosca

04-30-2007, 12:40 PM

... ok ... i give up ... unstuck my toothpick ... i subscribe to what Hito said ... one week extension ...:D

wizo5454

04-30-2007, 12:51 PM

Lol, maybe we should lay off so he can upload the new site...

maybe that would help :lucky:

bounchfx

04-30-2007, 02:32 PM

would-ja look at that

DELAYED

lol

FredH

04-30-2007, 02:38 PM

yeah, Hito was actualy right:( Everything blew up. A week will be needed to fix everything.

It's unfortunate.

I have released the wallpapers section so you have something cool to look at while you wait:paper:

bounchfx

04-30-2007, 02:39 PM

yeah these entries are INSANE! I feel bad for the judges! XD

Hito

04-30-2007, 02:56 PM

damn. shoulda just kept my mouth shut.

Frozan

04-30-2007, 03:02 PM

..............

wizo5454

04-30-2007, 03:07 PM

wallpapers are beautiful, awesome job guys. It makes me feel way more patient :P

paultosca

04-30-2007, 03:14 PM

fair enough ... we must keep in mind that we've got our "one week extension" ... without it ... i ,personally ,would not have been on the finalist list any more ...

Hito

04-30-2007, 03:36 PM

Fred thanks for all the work you're putting into this. I'm sure we'll live with another week. Cheers! :mugs: :mugs:

Anole

04-30-2007, 03:56 PM

So is it pretty safe to assume the winners are among the posted wallpapers?

Oink

04-30-2007, 04:38 PM

Pretty much. They were the judges favorites. :)

Anyway, I'm a sad piggy, Now I have to wait even longer :*(

Shinja

04-30-2007, 04:40 PM

man my jaw dropped when i saw the wallpapers awesome !
I guess u needed an extension Fred by seeing the artwork i knew it blow up hehe. Well the wait goes on. :)

FredH

04-30-2007, 04:42 PM

No, not everyone had time to make wallpapers, and since I didn't have much time to send invites, I only invited a few personal favorites to make wallpapers. The wallpapers shown are those who had some spare time and passed the selection process. There were a lot more fantastic entries... perhaps I will invite more soon.

So, basically, the winners can be anyone:)

Dhomochevsky

04-30-2007, 04:56 PM

but uhh.. i received an invite and didn't had time to make a decent one..
does it mean it can be added or i lost my occasion? :phew:

about the other entries well.. speechless
congrats to everyone especially to fred
(even if it will be hard to wait another week :lucky: )

coldkodiak

04-30-2007, 05:00 PM

hmmm. Wallpapers... wasn't even aware.

Too bad the site blew up :P

you work too hard FredH. but thanks anyways.

FredH

04-30-2007, 05:10 PM

yeah, it's unfortunate the site broke down. I wish dominance war didn't have to be the beta test site. But, the good news is, gameartisan's comp won't suffer the same problems hehe

Asmuel

04-30-2007, 06:35 PM

BiG ToE

04-30-2007, 08:22 PM

if that is the case, then someone(asmuel) should add that to the things to change for next comp thread.

Also, someone should add, enforcement of the rules, mainly the rule that stated, if you dont post updates, you can't enter. I saw a few guys on my side, just show up with a week to go acting like it was ok. They say, well I didn't think I was going to enter, but I finished in time, so here it is. Not cool, not cool. It was MADDNNEESSSS.

Asmuel

04-30-2007, 08:42 PM

Yea, I thought I was being slack with lack of updates. But then one dude on our side showed up from out of nowhere well over halfway throught the comp, and no-one complained :ack:. I didnt bother with much updates after that.

george.vas

05-01-2007, 12:24 AM

It was MADDNNEESSSS.

It was 3DSpartaaaaaa!! ;)

http://img250.imageshack.us/img250/7927/3dtspartavf7.jpg

FredH

05-01-2007, 01:44 AM

This guy should seriously be gameartisans.org's mascot Lol

george.vas

05-01-2007, 01:46 AM

Haha....:2thumbs:

miezis

05-01-2007, 03:34 AM

7 more days...
now i know how king Leonidas felt :(
I CAN'T WAITAAAAAAAA!!!

Asmuel

05-01-2007, 06:46 PM

*:paper: Me in spygear meets you on park bench :paper: *

Oh whats this that fell out of my pocket?

http://projectstealth.splintercellnetwork.com/index.php?topic=160.0

Seems to be some kind of incriminating evidence :uhh:

But seriously, cant have cheaters taking prizes away from other CGSociety entrants. Dont worry I didnt stay up all night snooping around, someone gave me the link after I mentioned I thought 2btys entry smelt fishy. If you check the dates he would have had the concept art, LP, MP and UV''s done before the competition started. And clearly the character was not designed for DomWar.

Im not calling for a DQ personally, unless he wins any prizes.

Asmuel

05-01-2007, 06:48 PM

Clearly not the best place to post that ^ but seeing as I mentioned it earlier in the thread I thought it might be a good idea :confused:

BiG ToE

05-01-2007, 07:04 PM

thats interesting stuff you found there. Makes one say hhhhmmmmmmm.

I still dance naked sometimes. Just gotta let it all hang out, every now and then.:thumb:

Antimagic

05-01-2007, 07:11 PM

I don't know about you guys, but all entries were discussed with my friends. I seriously doubt Fred, an organizer and participant, was out of the loop on this one. Popping 3 full concepts out in 3 days, with the wrong topic no less, surely has not gone unnoticed.

It's a really nice entry though.

george.vas

05-01-2007, 07:17 PM

* Me looking at espionage link :eek: *

Cool, this is exciting stuff... can't wait to see how it's handled.

* This is a subliminal message :guns:*

FredH

05-01-2007, 07:26 PM

Thank you for keeping the integrity of dominance war in mind:cool:

Noted. Nuff said.

wyldwulf

05-01-2007, 11:03 PM

I vote for the Dominance War wheel of fortune.

Each year, the involved forums are asked to come up with a noun, adjective, or verb or and additional one if there are more than 3 forums.

DW mad libs.

Then the brief might be Samourai, magenta, bunny, kill.

None of this nebulous "might have been made 3 years ago as a portfolio piece" mess.

Although I had MANY parts and pieces I could have cannibalized I built my guy from scratch (post briefing)- down to the smallest rivet. Mostly because I am retarded.

But, I think a tighter brief will reduce bending or even breaking the rules.

But boxers are supposed to be healthier for the equipment.

Mark

Spacemonkey

05-01-2007, 11:56 PM

http://projectstealth.splintercellne...hp?topic=160.0

Damn, why didnt I think of that!! :/ maybe I would have won this year if I had :D

wyldwulf

05-02-2007, 08:44 AM

http://projectstealth.splintercellne...hp?topic=160.0

Damn, why didnt I think of that!! :/ maybe I would have won this year if I had :D

I would assume then that you know you didn't- which is more than *I* know....

FREEEEDDDDDDDDDDD!!!!!!!!!!!!!????!!!

:)

Mark

coldkodiak

05-02-2007, 06:23 PM

I thought his blatant disregard for the theme was a little weird...
guess that explains it, and why he was finished by something like week 3 :P
Whatever, not my problem.

*:paper: Me in spygear meets you on park bench :paper: *

Oh whats this that fell out of my pocket?

http://projectstealth.splintercellnetwork.com/index.php?topic=160.0

Seems to be some kind of incriminating evidence :uhh:

[etc....]

Spark

05-03-2007, 04:19 PM

Fred, would it be possible to consider removing his wallpaper that is up with the other entries, it seems like his spot should go to someone that did follow the rules, and not cheat ( which is seriously lame in my opinion ) So that another person could get some spotlight time? Thanks for considering the idea in advance.

Spark

Spacemonkey

05-03-2007, 06:48 PM

I agree with sparks, it looks like he has broke the rules and entered a model he was already working on. It certainly doesnt seem right to keep the model on the site now.

I'm sure Fred's dealing with it :)

FredH

05-04-2007, 04:43 PM

I'll take care of this before monday:) Have to get other things ready first.

indian_boy

05-07-2007, 12:04 AM

let me be the first to say:
Its the 7th w00t w00t!!! [ahh the advantages of living in the east]... now for the disadvantage, Fred is 10 hours behind me..... the agony of waiting till a decent time for fred implies staying awake till tomorrow morning..... nooooooo!

peace

Frozan

05-07-2007, 12:09 AM

lol all class Indian boy. all class

Asmuel

05-07-2007, 01:24 AM

Lulz. Yea the 7th is almost over here, just a few hours to go. Its ready when its ready :doh:

FredH

05-07-2007, 03:01 AM

The good news is... it will launch today. No more extensions:thumb:

The bad news, it will be sometime today, not sure when. Afternoon, morning.. or evening:D

Inpw

05-07-2007, 03:45 AM

The good news is better than bad one :) Thanks Fred

george.vas

05-07-2007, 03:48 AM

:excite: excited :excite:

Oink

05-07-2007, 03:57 AM

Wee. Hopefully it won't be to late. Us euro trash would like to be able to check it out before we go to bed :3

miezis

05-07-2007, 04:16 AM

thinking... sooo when it's almost midnight at my place...
23:59:59 here in Latvia [gmt+2]
16:59:59 in Montreal, Canada [gmt -5]

i'd better check out the results tomorrow, or else i'll go nuts. can't really tell why i'm so excited - not that i have much of a chance of getting any of that sweet $$$ :), just wanna see an end to this war!

indian_boy

05-07-2007, 04:38 AM

Euro-trash? Europe?! Europe?!

What about us Indians? [how many indian's took part in this comp though?] GMT +5.5... damn... seems like i'll be waiting till tomorrow. But no worries, im just glad that the results _are_ coming today. I am now the looking forwards to the results. I'll stay awake [online] till 2300hrs... i pray that i get a glimpse of them.

peace

Asmuel

05-07-2007, 05:59 AM

Me = GMT +12

Oh yes, I win... or does everyone else win :uhh:

The only place ahead of New Zealand is Tonga @ GMT +13. We all travel in flying cars here in the future.

_Vincento_

05-07-2007, 06:15 AM

Hey this comes just after France presidential. There is a lot of suspense this time... :inocent:

I hope The judges will not focus only on the winners but they will say few words to all the participants like Sarko said for those of the Left haha ops :doh:

indian_boy

05-07-2007, 06:19 AM

lol @ Asmuel.....

sorry for this pointless post,but Asmuel deserves a good lol...
infact, he deserves a
"rotflmfao"
so i'll give one:
rotflmfao @ Asmuel.

seriously though... can't wait... :eeeeee: <- excited yell, by the way.

peace

nikudy

05-07-2007, 07:38 AM

the good news is excelent, i couldn't bear another extension.

-claudiu

onelung

05-07-2007, 08:33 AM

OMG!!!! I doubt i won anything, but yea.. I NEED MY CLOSURE! :)

_Vincento_

05-07-2007, 12:12 PM

Onelung :phew:

BluPanda

05-07-2007, 08:57 PM

I want to browse all the finalists! and i want to do it now! i have been randomly checking the site throughout the day to no avail! CURSES!

Asmuel

05-07-2007, 09:33 PM

I suspect it will be another late night for Fred :yawn:, I bet he's had a lot of them of the course of this comp :thumb:. I dont mind waiting, never look a gift horse in the mouth, whatever that means :confused:

Lol thanks indian boy :inocent:

FredH

05-07-2007, 09:43 PM

Uploading content now........

coldkodiak

05-07-2007, 10:20 PM

wow. Those are not the results I expected.
I totally thought the top 3 were going to be completely different.
not sure if I totally agree but whatever, it's a median decision.
congrats to all the winners anyways.

Torokun

05-07-2007, 10:20 PM

WHOA!

We won!

woohoo!

Thank God!

Shinja

05-07-2007, 10:30 PM

GOOOOOO 3D total !!!!

Well done Taehoon and Torokun !!!! i so knew it !!! Congrats to everyone in top 10.. Awesome stuff !

Gavin

05-07-2007, 10:30 PM

Wow, not at all what I was expecting for the results. Bo offense to 3DTotal, but I thought for sure PC was going to come out on top.

Either way, congrats to all!

Gav

Chasarsis

05-07-2007, 10:36 PM

Surprising front runners =O, though they're quite awesome entries!
Congrats to the winners!

Marcus Dublin

05-07-2007, 10:42 PM

Congrats to all:lucky: , some very interesting choices for sure. I'll have to work harder next time around, hehe.:cool:

Later!

FredH

05-07-2007, 10:43 PM

If 3dtotal won.. blame wyldwulf. His stubborn entry refused to die. He took a lot of polycounters down before the biguns finally wiped him out.

indian_boy

05-07-2007, 10:46 PM

woah! thats not what i was expecting at all either.... but even still:
good work 3d Total. Now DW 3 will be fun... getting back the seat of power for polycount and all.... and "good job" to all the artists with their names on that list!

05-07-2007, 10:54 PM

Congrats to all:lucky: , some very interesting choices for sure. I'll have to work harder next time around, hehe.:cool:

Later!

it looks like having a good concept art was a make or break criteria. *pointing at Marcus :mad: *

congrats to all, specially Taehoon :thumb:

TryForce

05-07-2007, 11:28 PM

atleast cgchat won against polycount :) im happy.

gj y'all!

BiG ToE

05-08-2007, 12:19 AM

its funny, when you look at the list of forums that were in on this, good ole 3DTotal was always placed at the back, but now, it's on top.

FredH

05-08-2007, 12:21 AM

Is someone rubbing it in?:p

xvampire

05-08-2007, 12:29 AM

marcuuussss whyy!!
I tot his gun is big enuff to blow those robot heads!

oh well, anyway congras to all the winner! its a very good choice also :D

I will work harder also,
thx to all cgchat ppl, who give feedback and motivation to my entries :D
(i feel bad betraying cgsocieties -_-)

BiG ToE

05-08-2007, 12:32 AM

Is someone rubbing it in?:p

oh no, none of that. But I am dancing, naked, again.:thumb:

kipiripi

05-08-2007, 12:39 AM

Absolutely not what I was expecting for the results .Anyway Congrats to all winners and all brothers...

Spacemonkey

05-08-2007, 12:51 AM

Absolutely not what I was expecting for the results .Anyway Congrats to all winners and all brothers...

QFT :)

Great work guys! Congrats to the winners!

wyldwulf

05-08-2007, 12:53 AM

Wow.

Both in awe and elation.

I think one thing I said in my interview answers holds fast. You can't please everyone.

There were entries that I would have readily voted in front of my own, were I looking at these blindly, and admittedly some entries that would have never made my personal list.

But these judges were not slops, and to have made Kolby's list alone should make anyone really happy. ;)

I wish that CGCHAT could have pulled a war win, but what can man do against MACHINES?

I really don't know what else to say, other than-

wow.

And, Grudge got his revenge after all, even if a big metal mech automaton rose from the horizon and blasted him in the back when it was done. Hell, it eased his pain, anyway. :)

Mark

miezis

05-08-2007, 01:26 AM

ahh, finally i can breathe freely! it's over, the war is over - and so is my creative block :)
gooooooo 3dtotal, i sorta new we'd won!!! and congrats to all - that was some tough competition! really surprising results, but hey - victory is never certain, especially in wars!

Inpw

05-08-2007, 01:32 AM

The war is over! Congrats to winners and all participants.

_Vincento_

05-08-2007, 01:53 AM

We need other kind of weapons to slam-dunk this stupid machines :D

@ Fred did the Judges said a small word to all the particpants ?

by the way Congratulations for the winners, congratulations to all the particpants.

Now it is time for the interviews i'm so curious :p

_Vincent

rollin

05-08-2007, 04:19 AM

i think the voting system is weak..

the problem is, the "top 10" and the "forums top 3" hasn´t enough dependencys

it can reach from 100% if all forums top 3 are also in the top 5 one jury member chose
to 0% if none of them is in the top 5

in the end, this can cause the problem, that entry A ,compared to entry B, is placed higher in the top 3 BUT lower in the top 10

i think the best would be to take the forums top 3 out of the top 10
(they count more bc they are choosen out of all entrys) and only if
there are not enough forumentrys in the top 10 fill them with the jury´s top 3

i don´t want to piss of tbone.. in fact i´m not sure if he should be 9th instead of me or not.. wired?!?

BUT

i hope the voting system is changed for the next dom war!! :)

and i have to say i like the wallpaper section a lot more than the submissions page :p

EDIT: ohh i read now that fredh is already aware of this :D.. sorry

EVIL

05-08-2007, 04:33 AM

Well I guess I'l have to work harder on the next dom war.. :)
totally unexpected top 10

PS rollin, good to see your entry made it in the top 10!

Asmuel

05-08-2007, 06:25 AM

Wow, didnt even get a fucking mention, excellent :thumb:

Taehoon/Torokun/Karl Östlund won and only one judge gave them first place! Peppi and Mop both got voted 1st 3 times!

george.vas

05-08-2007, 07:43 AM

3DT FTW!!!! At least I know my general did not die in vain. :mugs:

All I can say is pretty interesting top ten, no further comment on that. Is there no place to see all the entries? I want to see all the great entries not just what the judges thought were good. Show some love for the non-finalists. :D

Hito

05-08-2007, 07:48 AM

Some surprises there, but what's life without surprises! Cheers all! Well earned victory for 3dtotal. Totally inspiring and I'm glad to have taken part.

kipiripi

05-08-2007, 08:49 AM

3DT FTW!!!!

Is there no place to see all the entries? I want to see all the great entries not just what the judges thought were good. Show some love for the non-finalists. :D

Yeah , I Agree ?

Asmuel

05-08-2007, 09:05 AM

I just realised Vahl from polycount didnt get mentioned either!! I honestly think the whole judging thing needs to be looked at again, people invested huge amounts of effort into this comp, but the judging doesnt reflect that. Seems the judges didnt put much thought into their choices, and/or the judging process wasnt very well structured.

Sumea's competitions have a comprehensive points system, so the judges have to evaluate each artists work deeply looking at each aspect of it. No offense Fred, but really, the biggest game art comp ever on the net needs the best, most thought out judging. Im still not sure how Peppi got 5th, and 3dtotal won. Can someone explain?

^ In saying that, many people deserved to place where they did, congratulations to those and I sincerely hope you enjoy your prizes :) this years work rocked

EVIL

05-08-2007, 09:08 AM

BluPanda

05-08-2007, 09:12 AM

Ah, how unpredictable art comps can be. Every time i enter one be it anything from chalk art to commercial art, you never can tell how the judges are feeling... It could all depend on what they had for lunch... That being said, amazing work everyone, and winners congratulations, go have a party! =)

Anole

05-08-2007, 09:51 AM

[QUOTE=Asmuel;2549]I just realised Vahl from polycount didnt get mentioned either!! I honestly think the whole judging thing needs to be looked at again, people invested huge amounts of effort into this comp, but the judging doesnt reflect that. Seems the judges didnt put much thought into their choices, and/or the judging process wasnt very well structured.

I'm sorry how are you reconciling that argument? People put in a huge amount of effort..yes I agree.. now how exactly is the judging supposed to reflect that? Were the judges supposed to know how much effort people put in?

The judges didn't put much thought in their process, because what.. you don't agree with them.

If you enter a contest were the metrics are:
"Does your character look cool? Does your character look like he/she/it can easily destroy any form of opposition?"

You have to know that it is going to be a matter of the judges personal taste.
I don't think it is helpful to just flame on the judges and discount their efforts..

FredH

05-08-2007, 10:14 AM

I have put additional links on the main dom war page so that people can find the finalists (it's on the left hand menu under options). I know... there is soo much info on the main page. I tried to squeeze in as much as possible:inocent:

Spark

05-08-2007, 12:15 PM

Well even if I do not agree with some choices, it is there choices. But might I suggest that maybe for the next competitions judges, it would be more aligned to people that do this type of work for the industry. Such as Kolby Jukes, who is a great choice, rather than the Producer for EA who didn't even have time to write up comments, and placed 5 for the same 1st prize? I for one, would be more apt to join the next Dominance War, if I knew that the judges knew more of what it took to complete the competition.

Spark

onelung

05-08-2007, 12:46 PM

I'd have to agree with spark with the judges, its intresting to see there pics, but maybe a few more dudes that blow minds, and make stuff like: Meats Mier, Stalberg, Ben Regimbal, Krishnamurti Costa, Fasto De Martini, Kevin Lanning, Louis Lu. Character peeps from all around.

Other than that, mad props to those that made the tops.. watch your backs, cause i'm comin for your hands!

Marcus Dublin

05-08-2007, 12:50 PM

You made some great points Spark! I also wonder if the same panel of judges from last year had to vote this year would the results have even been close to what this new crop of judges made. Just a thought but I would love to see more of our peers i.e.: “character artist” judging next time around. I’m not sure if construction shots, sticking to the brief and a story were even necessary this year. You could have gotten away with just some concept art and the beauty shot. This is not surprising considering some of the heavy weights are concept artists. Just a thought!:cool:

Marcus

eMpTy

05-08-2007, 01:05 PM

Yeah I dont know why we had to wait so long for the judging. Some of those choices we're just dumb. Like Marcus said we really didnt need to show flats. For instance, Tucho's entry was inefficiently uvmapped and poorly textured. Yet some how he beats out lots of other great entries. Anyways its all water over the bridge or under the dam, or where ever you want it. Fred excellent job organizing everything that must have quite a job. Been a fun trip.

wyldwulf

05-08-2007, 01:26 PM

I would be cautious about ripping on the judges.

They made their decisions, and while I too disagree with some choices, I also disagree with the opinions of guys I have worked with for years. On multiple games. Such is the intangibility of aesthetic.

I do think the judge set for DW1 was a more "in the trenches" list of judges, and as such I think they made choices that reflected that, and probably aligned more with the expectations of the entrants. I definitely look at the choices this year and find that the guys doing this stuff day to day are the ones that I agree with most.

But those aren't always the guys hiring. You get my drift. :P

Mark

muppet man

05-08-2007, 01:51 PM

I got beat by the angry dude in jeans! ..........sigh.........I give up.

cmof

Red Republik

05-08-2007, 02:03 PM

chill out muppet man! at least you didn't get beat by a purple and yellow, blocky, bug looking guy in a robe, standing on a moldy piece of swiss cheese for a base. those blue jeans are looking pretty good from where i sit...

ChrRambow

05-08-2007, 04:39 PM

Congrats to the top 10 finalists! ... and for shure to all other entries because that challenge was a lot of fun! :)

Also a big thank you to Fred ... for me it was a big experience and i am going to
like this forum ... even if time is rare at the moment. :D

The judges did the choice so you all have to stick with this. :nono:

But i will drink some beers because of the official end of this comp and for all other entrys at this weekend. :beer:
... seems that it will be a lot of beer :uhh:

Asmuel

05-08-2007, 06:03 PM

[QUOTE=Asmuel;2549]I'm sorry how are you reconciling that argument? People put in a huge amount of effort..yes I agree.. now how exactly is the judging supposed to reflect that? Were the judges supposed to know how much effort people put in?

Well yea, there was alot of money riding on the competition, so decisions shouldnt be made lightly. And the judging system could have been better/clearer, they should have marked everything, Vahl didnt even get mentioned and his was clearly better than many peoples entry's who were mentioned, or were even ranked 1st by some judges. Spark made a good suggestion about choosing artists to judge, Kolby made some good choices.

Seriously should check out Sumea's ranking system for competitions, its a very comprehensive points system, but easy to follow.

also congrats muppet man, good job :)

Asmuel

05-08-2007, 07:23 PM

ThatDon

05-08-2007, 07:27 PM

It's not nice to name names.

FredH

05-08-2007, 07:51 PM

Asmuel --> I believe cookepuss talked about your entry on cgchat.

shadowbreeze

05-08-2007, 08:07 PM

And I was not mentioned...
http://www.gameartisans.org/contests...nstruction.jpg
but shadowbreeze was ranked 1st by one judge...
http://www.gameartisans.org/contests...9-winning1.jpg

i'm sorry you feel you have to get personal, it just show the judges might have been right all along, so i'm sorry to say get over yourself.

sorry fred i usually don't do this but Alloying personal attacks on a friendly comp shall always be answered and has just made me fill sick and will be with drawing.

from the comps:mad: :mad: :mad:

Asmuel

05-08-2007, 08:21 PM

It's not nice to name names.

Yea I know, I apologise if I have offended anyone I have talked about, I never said they were shit or anything. I'll be the first one to say my rendering sucked, my texturing was not good enough to win etc. Just saying the unmentioned ones were comperable. Anyway no more flaming from me :mad:

Edit: Just saw Shadowbreeze's post, you beat me to the submit reply button lol

coldkodiak

05-08-2007, 08:34 PM

some... bitter people.

Doesn't the results just prove that presentation and personal perference really count for a lot? This shouldn't surprise anyone in this industry.

On an indivdual basis I think I only really agreed with one of the judges.

However, their results compiled seems to be 'fair'... more or less. I think we should accept that even if a bunch of pro 3d character modelers were judging everything, that the results even then would have been a product of personal preference more than anything. The median result may not always seem 'correct' but they are fair.

Imo, with the exception of one piece which I think took the spot of more deserving work, everything up there really deserves recognition.
In that regards, the judges did their job right.

SeanB

05-08-2007, 08:35 PM

With any competition based partly on subjective appeal, only a small portion of the participants will agree with the judges' decisions, regardless of what those decisions are. I was surprised by some of the choices, I would have had some different winners, but then Fred didn't ask me to be a judge. I think we just have to take the results as a life lesson: competitions will often bring out (and reward) exceptional work, but like life, not everyone will be pleased.

As for my entry (http://www.gameartisans.org/contests/events/1/team3/preview_finals_1_63.html), I won nothing (except that Pascal Blanche ranked me third for Cg Society :D ) and I expected to win nothing, just way too much talent out there.

Thanks for running the show Fred, I bet it was as much a learning experience for you as it was for us. :thumb:

EVIL

05-08-2007, 09:35 PM

Sorry I dont mean to be a downer Fred, I know you put in more effort than anyone else involved in Dominance War. I would suggest there could also be a Honorable mentions section like Blizzard-art comp had, but not for every entrant, just those who were overlooked, or got less recognition than was deserved.

I mean Vahl was not mentioned...
http://www.gameartisans.org/contests/events/uploaded_images/32-game-3d-art-24-1174967044-Deria_Beauty.jpg
but sandara got praise...
http://www.gameartisans.org/contests/events/uploaded_images/32-game-3d-art-139-1174914149-arachne_beauty.jpg

And I was not mentioned...
http://www.gameartisans.org/contests/events/uploaded_images/32-game-3d-art-20-1174983968-Construction.jpg
but shadowbreeze was ranked 1st by one judge...
http://www.gameartisans.org/contests/events/uploaded_images/32-game-3d-art-146-1174916019-winning1.jpg

And gavin was not mentioned either...
http://www.gameartisans.org/contests/events/uploaded_images/32-game-3d-art-320-1174888603-GavinGoulden_DW2_Winning.jpg
but evil was...
http://www.gameartisans.org/contests/events/uploaded_images/32-game-3d-art-125-1174958930-winning-pose.jpg

Sorry, not to shit on your guys work. Im not necessarily saying they are better, Im just saying they are comperable, but were overlooked. Or maybe I just have bad taste :paper:

PS. is Evil's entry's ass missing in the winning pose shot?

rofl.. it doesnt have an ass :) both the legs and the torso are attatched to orbs that rotate in orbit around each other. I tried to find something simple to replace the traditional limited in motion, hip

But thanks for showing your personal preference

If you would have been good enough maybe you would have been in the judges and could have expressed your oppinion in a valid way. Until that moment, you just have to kindly shut up and accept the results.

Hell I am sure the next dom war will be better, you just can't expect this community based competition to improve to perfection in one step!

Asmuel

05-08-2007, 09:59 PM

miezis

05-09-2007, 12:49 AM

Anole

05-09-2007, 09:08 AM

Miezis makes a good point..

As soon I saw andrew jones as a judge I knew the kind of work he would select. I KNEW EVIL would be one of them, and the abstract robot model.. I wasn't surprised by any of his choices.

If you spend any amount of time on tweak, you know the kind of work Kolby was going to pick. No surprises there..

But there were alot of judges there I didn't know, so all I could was try to hit the theme of the contest. When i saw those wallpapers go up that was it for me.. I chaulked it up as a learning experience, and moved on.

Overall this is a community building event.. your not going to build any bridges or network with your peers, if you just complain and degrade other peoples work. It is unprofessional.

poopinmymouth

05-09-2007, 10:25 AM

Thanks a ton for organizing this Fred, you did a helluva job, and I appreciate it.

I think one thing that would definitely improve next years comp, like others have mentioned, is more focused judges. Yes the ones this year picked their favorites, and that is their right as the selected judges. However by selecting from such a broad base, it makes the finals almost completely random.

I think you could easily have next year's comp judged by peoples mothers, or taste-testing judges, and they'd pick their favorites, and you'd get a point based "fair" set of finalists, but it'd be very random, to say the least, and that's how this years results felt. I think having a character art comp judged by character artists is really the way to go.

Minor preferences aside, I think given time, these entries could very well be put in a reasonable scale from best to worst, by competent character artists. There might be some slight arguments on whether something is a 5th place, or a 6th place, but we wouldn't get characters that are almost unanimously agreed should be top 5, not even making it in any of the judges mention.

I forget if it was you Fred, or not, but I liked the suggestion of each forum doing an internal vote of their top 10 (or 20) to send on to the final comp. That way you have a mass of real-time content-creation peoples narrowing it down. Then have just 4 or 5 professional, top-tier-talent character artists going over the finalists, and trying to vote for more than five places. I'd prefer they vote for 20, in the order they like them (with no divisions based on forums).

I just think that you can separate the outrage from some people being upset their personal entry didn't place, and still see enough people who legitimately feel that the final results were off by a lot, to use as a barometer for how the judging went. Last year I think most people felt fairly satisfied with the rankings, and couldn't argue too much. This year it seems like a lot of WTF moments all around.

http://www.mr-chompers.com/images/poop.gif (http://www.poopinmymouth.com)

Yung

05-09-2007, 11:56 AM

Bloody great comp! I never finished so I better shut up but congrats to all who finished and especially to those who won. Even though I agree with Asmuel regarding some issues of the votes and judges's decision, I even agree more with Anole and Coldkodiak that it's best not to rant online. Ranting should go into it's own special thread.

May I suggest that perhaps we should just post a small disclaimer/ note before joining the comp to remind people to stay professional in a friendly community competition.

FredH

05-09-2007, 04:29 PM

poopinmymouth --> You should post this in the suggestions and comments thread. There has been a discussion on new judging methods and we narrowed it down to what I think, is a very good method.

There will be a 3-4 eliminations process when the war ends. Every week, the entries will be cropped until finally, only the pure best remain. (this is the short version:) )

Otherwise, glad you enjoyed the war. It was a blast:)

Yung, it's ok. Results do this. It must have been a shocker to see the winners this year. Everyone put a lot of work into their entries.. as long as no one is kicking people in the streets, everything is alright:)

EVIL

05-10-2007, 01:54 PM

I wasnt trying to insult you, in the other pics it looks like has an ass, and in the winning pose it looks like its gone. I thought you might have accidently rendered it with a section missing. Thanks for clarifying.

I wasn't insulted man :) it does look like it :D.. I need to spend more time on the camera work when I screen shot my creatures so it does capture the asses ;)

anyway.. Congrats to the winners.. you all did a fantastic job, but you do have to keep in mind that your asses will be whooped red raw next year by me! hah!

*drills holes and hammers nails in his ductaped row paddle

2byts

05-11-2007, 03:02 AM

Those wallpapers arent neceserally what the finished products looked like, as they had a lot of extra time for wallpapers. Though many did finish well and didnt have to do much for wallpapers ie. Spacemonkey :thumb:

Oh yea, and Im pretty sure 2byts=cheater. I didnt want to say anything earlier because I didnt want to sound like an ass, and didnt think he would win anything anyway. He had a 75% complete character within like 24 hours of the breif being revealed, then it took him the rest of the comp just to texture, and made something that had nothing to do with CGSocietys brief. Was I the only one who noticed?

In response to people that encouraged my disqualification without at least telling me:

I started when the competition was announced on CG Talk, which was 3-4 days before the official opening date. I hardly consider that an advantage when the deadline was extended considerably while I was on holidays for 2 weeks.

And as far as speed is concerned, I am currently on a project where I have to model and texture 12 characters in 3 weeks. Having a standardized base mesh that is intended for customizing on a per character basis is a normal workflow for any artist. This part of the pipeline does not take more then a couple days. To say that I had a 75% character finished within 24hrs is rubbish and you certainly dont have any proof of that. Texturing and Hi Res modelling easily take up more then half of production time when working at 2k res. A low poly mesh doesnt take more then a day to create in a studio pipeline...and how long does it take to subdivide and harden some edges?

This of course allowed me to spend more time on texturing because thisproject was my first experience with mudbox. I actually did 3 different versions of this character while still learning the software.

And as far project stealth was concerned, DM was finished so I decided to make it public that I wanted to use this character for a personal non-profit Mod project. Who is to say other people in the competition will not do that for Doom-Unreal-Quake games now that the competition is finished?

I dont expect anything to change now, but there is honour involved.

_Vincento_

05-11-2007, 05:23 AM

Peace and love guys :)

First I think the descison of Judges are done and are definitive.

The thing that your are saying could be a point to clarify for the DW III
http://www.gameartisans.org/forums/showthread.php?t=142

And I ever thought of that, and would tell it to Fred,
Why not make Deadline by categories in the Contest.

for exemple:
Sketch deadline
Lowpoly dead line -> but here we have a problem because some people started by the High mesh. So we could make a simple deadline to see the progress of your entries.

Then the entries would be OK, and there will be no cheats no ones to cry for cheaters.

FredH

05-11-2007, 03:49 PM

2byts --> The problem is, it takes each artist a few days to think up an idea, another few days to make sketches and concepts, and then another few days to come up with a base mesh. If you created your base mesh before the comp started, you have also come up with the idea and initial concepts too. Furthermore, people were telling you in your cgsociety thread, that your character did not fit the brief for domwar. You chose to ignore them. There is nothing that can be done now.

Everything(thoughts, sketches, concepts, and models) must be originally made for domwar. I am really sorry that you didn't know this. I can see that this was one big misunderstanding. Everyone makes mistakes. Regardless, you did a great job on your model and you were an inspiration to many artists in the comp! Hope you will be back next year.

_FreD_

Asmuel

05-13-2007, 02:02 AM

Asmuel you better stop now, i took a look at your work and if i was a judge i wouldn't mention it either - it's not that good. so instead of flaming people all across forums you'd better work on you texturing, modeling, color scheme skills... if you had any idea who Andrew Jones was you wouldn't be surprised why he had such strange choices... so my advice is - stop living in your own world and take a good look at your work.

Lol. When I say I should have been mentioned blah blah, I meant I would have appreciated feedback, not that I deserved a placing. I meant it would have been better it more people were given feedback, if not everyone. I could have explained this about 1000 times better, oh well, thats my bad. Wasnt intended to be a arrogant flame, but my explanation was so poor it ended up being one. I already said sorry to the people I mentioned.

But yea I never asked for your advice, its not needed or wanted. I could flame your work in return, but that would be childish.

@ 2byts

yea perhaps I should have contacted you, or someone else should have. I was not the only one who noticed as others from your team contacted me suggesting I should post about your character being designed for another project. I said myself you shouldnt get DQ'd, because I dont think you were given a huge advantage either, unless perhaps if you win for the sake of the people who followed the rules. But yea if you break the rules thats it I guess, If your given leniency then it gets real dodgy defining what is a significant advantage. Gotta be real careful and read the all rules thoroughly.

But yea on the upside your character turned out great, you're works all over the net and you've probably learnt a few lessons as have I.