Dominance War IV Rules

[Aftermath]

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Please ask all questions here. We will try to answer them in a timely manner and keep this slightly organized.

DOMINANCE WAR IV RULES
http://www.gameartisans.org/contests/dw/4/rules/en.php



NOTE: MAIN ENTRY SYSTEM IS DOWN WILL BE ONLINE THIS WEEK HAVE FUN WORKING ON YOUR ENTRY





















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[DreameR]

epic win...

i like the new rules for entering as teams

No Teams, groups or collaborations. Everything must be made by 1 single person

but i like the idea that artists can display their individual characters together as a clan after your finished. thats kool

http://www.gameartisans.org/contests/dw/4/clans/en.php

[Scjohnson5551]

YEA Demons

[-JL-]

Well now... Let it begin! :lol::lol::lol::lol:

[Fenixy]

awsome!

about clan, you can join with some one to create 1 final image of more characters? am i right?

[Shadownami92]

Clans sounds cool, but I think people might want to talk to eachother first to make a good team that fits together beforehand.

Pretty nice prizes and sponsors. This is going to be epic!

[Aftermath]

awsome!

about clan, you can join with some one to create 1 final image of more characters? am i right?

Clans are after the main competition is over.

[Shadownami92]

Clans are after the main competition is over.

So you go solo and just try to find someone that picked the same side as your did after? I guess that can make it more interesting.

[DreameR]

this is new; you have to submit Text with the final entry too.


The following images and text must be submitted to complete your 3D entry
All images must include text that indicates your character's race, class, your contact details, Dominance War IV logo and your team logo.

1. Text Image
Dimensions: Up to 1200w x 1000h pixels - 350k file size - JPG
Text image is a text image about your creation. Do not put your 3d creations on this image. This image is only for text. You can write how you got inspired, what your creation is about, or simply write your characters name and 1 sentence about who he/she/it is. Any language is fine. Any font is fine.

[Fenixy]

Aftermath ok, that make sense

[Karsh]

I take it norms have primative technolagy so no guns and other mechanical stuff right like rocket boots, gasmasks ect?

[Shadownami92]

I take it norms have primative technolagy so no guns and other mechanical stuff right like rocket boots, gasmasks ect?

Who needs guns when you have mana cannons? who needs mechanical stuff when you have magical stuff? rocket boots? How about the Mythical Boots of Hermes? Gasmasks? why not a cool mask or collar that gives you gills!?

[Ace-Angel]

Thank you, the battle can (at least Concept Phase) start now!

OK, I went over the rules and have a crap load of question wanna ask, so please, bear with me. And I'm sorry for the questions that may sound stupid:

1- No Combination's Allowed: I didn't understand this part. What exactly are we not allowed to mix? Are we not allowed to Mix Demons and Machines, or are we not allowed to mix Cyborgs and Scouts?

Basically, which one aren't we allowed to mix? Race type or Class type? Or neither?

2- Your character "MUST" have a single powerful magical weapon. Can our character have a secondary weapon? For example, in Prince of Persia, the character had 2 daggers, a main one and a backup one (or common steel). Advice here?

3- Pets... What is our limit for pets? Can we have them of another class or must they remain within race/class type? Also, can our pets have a weapon and armor?

4- Weapons... What are we limited to? Demons have their limitations with 'fire, darkness and ice', but what about Machines and Humans?

5- No additional characters, pets, animals, pieces of characters, dead characters, etc, can be put on your pedestal. Can we put up environmental objects? Like say a broken lamp-post, a sign saying 'the end is here' or some *other races* parts on the ground? Nothing that can be used as a weapon, but simply to give a passive attitude to out character.

6- Technology... What is out limit for Technology? While I understand that Machines can have laser-beams, what about the other two?

[milansatan]

So you do your individual character first and once the main competiotn is over on May 11th, you choose your teammates? am i reading this right....

[Aftermath]

1) Neither
2)They can have a single powerful weapon, but they can also have another weapon of lesser power. Only one BFG.
3)No limit on the amount of Pets you can have but keep in mind they are in your polybudget. Yeah, they can have weapons and armor too, but your entry can only have a single powerful weapon
4)Humans and Machines have no limits and a bot can use a flame thrower
a wizard can cast whatever.
5)No.
6)No limit on technology.

[YdoUwant2know]

Just read up on everything, this looks awesome. I have a few days off so time to start drawing.

[Ace-Angel]

Ok, cool, thanks alot. Personal question:

Say I want to make a Demon, but I don't want it to be purely 'Organic' per say and I want to add something which isn't demonic (a chaingun, some mechanical hooves, maybe some magical crystals stuck in his right arm, etc) basically, something a la Doom 3 - CyberDemon type character. What would be (once again) my limitations on this?

[pimpofpixels]

It's ON!.

I've one question.

"Demon Lord
Demon Lords are larger than 20x20x20 feet and do not possess any human characteristics. Each demon lord is generally a ruler of some kind and/or belongs to a royalty class of demons. Seldom taking an interest in fighting with their own hands, when provoked into combat, they are an almost godly foe to deal with. Demon Lords can manipulate their inborn fusion of power (Fire/lava or Ice/cold or Death/Darkness) to a spectacular degree. As an example, it’s common for Fire Demon Lords to teleport from one fire to another fire, launch fireballs up to 100 feet away, create fire weapons from thin air, raise walls of fire, etc "

Does that mean no eyes, teeth, hands, feet, hair etc?

That's pretty harsh. Horses, dogs, dragons, fish, etc. posses a lot of human characteristics.

[Mrpearlzildjian]

It Has Begun!!!

[Spirit]

At last ! :cool:
I have a question : Are we allowed to make norm with artificial limb for example or it have to be 100% NORMal =) ?

[ALW-DaSilva]

Yeah..!!Demons, looks cool for new race....

[Ace-Angel]

@pimpofpixels: You can create demons like Balrog for example, but something that is a human look-a-alike (Prince of Darkness for example) is not a Lord, but a Prince, hence you would select the second one if you wanted something human-like.

Or so what I think they mean...

[pimpofpixels]

Thanks Ace-Angel

[SpaceIdiot]

I have a small question on the War Machine class.

I understand that in can't have any living flesh on it but can it have other inorganic materials attached to it besides metal like rocks, wood, or stone?

[Aftermath]

Ace-Angel:

No Chaingun.
No mechanical parts.
Crystals in Arm yes.
Hardsurface Armor is ok.


Pimpofpixels: You can use all of those it just cant pass off as a human. Most be an ugly, not a vampire either. A demon.

Spirit: Yes, but it must be very generic and not something super robotic.

[Nizza_waaarg]

think this was answered before but it was a while ago and i forgot :P... what's our team colours (black and red?).

stoked this is finally happening ^_^

edit: and when you say no technology limit, you could have a human character in anything from a 1600's suit or armour, or some crazy high tech space marine armour?

[Shadownami92]

think this was answered before but it was a while ago and i forgot :P... what's our team colours (black and red?).

stoked this is finally happening ^_^

edit: and when you say no technology limit, you could have a human character in anything from a 1600's suit or armour, or some crazy high tech space marine armour?

I beleive its black red and gold, but mostly black and gold.

[Ace-Angel]

I (think) recall it was Gold and Black...at least for GA...

[Noodle!]

I've got a question about the rules for participation, seeing as how I've never really done this before. Should I get an entire forum together and decide on one race and the entire forum should go with that?

And it says you can use background characters, is this then excluded from the mix-and-match rule? So for instance I could have a demon (main) fighting a machine or machines if the machines were not in focus?

[xabian]

This is gonna rock, I'm thinking daemons so far as oddly enough i have just been doing some research on them, gonna see if I can get some Roman and/or Greek mythology books for some inspiration.
If the colours are black and gold it would will be interesting to see how it can be added to a daemon.

*jumps for joy*

[Susurrus]

Nizza_Waaarg - I dont think Norms can use technology ... or can they?

and yeah, GA is GOLD and BLACK

[Aftermath]

Nizza_Waaarg - I dont think Norms can use technology ... or can they?

and yeah, GA is GOLD and BLACK

No they can't be thats a class/race not a weapon and yes Ga colors are black and gold.

[Sinzalot]

ALRIGHTY THEN!!! woohoo, just read the brief..and it's frikin' wicked. Thanks to all the guys who put this together, especially Fred...this is gonna be great. Good luck everyone at GA, see ya on the other side!:D :D :D

[Frump]

Hell Yeah Demons! The idea that I've been playing around with for the last month has been a demon, and my friends doubted they would be in! :p

Glad I can finally start concepting it.

[BoBo_the_seal]

So do we just start WIP threads on our respective forums until the system is up?

- BoBo

[Ace-Angel]

Gold and Black MUST be in there, but your character doesn't have to take a dip in it. After all, if every single models was dipped in G&B as their main color, then the comp would look pretty stale no?

[xabian]

Ace-Angel hehe too true, its just me panicking like usual =P

[Yozora]

typo under 2D guidelines;
http://tompoon.com/wip/2dentry.jpg

You mean 2D entry.

[frigi]

Your character MUST possess your team's colors and/or your team's insignia/logo.

So the colors are not mandatory if you include the logo. It doesn't hurt tho...

[Fenixy]

You can only have a single extremely powerful magical weapon

can both gloves be 1 artifact? or only one of em

[Spirit]

To Aftermath : Artificial limb with some kind of "engine" is super-robotic ?:think:

[Hearshotkid02]

Few questions since this is my first comp here. Not sure if these were explained in past years, sorry.

1. Do robots have to have a primary weapon/item like the norms that is clearly defined/displayed? And do demons, or do they just have their inner power(fire/ice/darkness)?
2. Are the robot scouts allowed to have a human-like silhouette or can they all-together not be human-like in design?
3. If I choose to do a Robot Scout and complete some concepts and start modeling and decide that I don't like it; can I cancel that entry and start a War Machine, or a Demon even?
4. The limited of 10k tri, does that mean 10k tri/5k polys or is 10k polys the same thing in this case?

Thanks in advance. Really stoked about this.

[eboy]

Awesome! Liking the sound of the brief.

Time to put my thinking cap on.

[DeAtH_SmiLeS]

Bring on the demons!!!!!!!

[Ace-Angel]

10K tri is basically 5K poly.

However, I have a question: Can we have a single 'weapon hilt' on which your character can materialize different weapons? Essentially a shape-shifting weapon.

[Blenderhead]

Amazing brief guys. :) I wish this comp ran for twice as long so I could do at least two characters from the brief! We should totally make a mod with the best entries from this competition.

[dr01d]

Ill just be happy if I still have a wife and kid at the end of this ;-)

[dudidam]

Few questions since this is my first comp here. Not sure if these were explained in past years, sorry.

1. Do robots have to have a primary weapon/item like the norms that is clearly defined/displayed? And do demons, or do they just have their inner power(fire/ice/darkness)?
2. Are the robot scouts allowed to have a human-like silhouette or can they all-together not be human-like in design?
3. If I choose to do a Robot Scout and complete some concepts and start modeling and decide that I don't like it; can I cancel that entry and start a War Machine, or a Demon even?
4. The limited of 10k tri, does that mean 10k tri/5k polys or is 10k polys the same thing in this case?

Thanks in advance. Really stoked about this.

1. it can have the the same weapon as norm. i suggest add more robotic, mechanical, or steampunk touch to make it different with norm.
2. i guess both are ok. practically, just think the main purpose of each element in the scout function, and you'll get the right silhouette/anatomy.
3. you can change your race, but you can't change the title. you'll ask to think thoroughly about the title, so i suggest you gotta stick with the title.
4. 10 tri doesn't always mean 5k poly. you can always cheat with gave hexapoly. just stick with 10 tri, cos 10 poly always mean 10 tri.

that's in my opinion. i hope its helps..... :D

[Mischi]

Hello fellow warriors. I have just two short questions:

1. "Abominations do not possess a fusion with any element." Does this mean Abominations are not categorized in an element at all or that they just can't use their inborn fusion like Demon Princes or Lords.

2. Can an Abomination have parts from Norms on his body? I'm thinking about an undead that is partly patched up with bodyparts of Norms he killed during battle and used their parts to replace missing limbs (e.g. arms or legs).


Would be great if someone had an answer to this :)

So long and good luck to everyone.

[Ace-Angel]

Oh, I have another question (I'm sure at this point anyone can answer me) but is there a limit on how many 'parts' our model can be divided in?

[DemonPrincess]

In the category of Demon Prince, can we make a female demon? Or is it confined to princes alone and no princesses? :think:

I need to make a Demon Princess! :lucky:

[damagecontrol]

stupid and redundant question I know but...

can we enter both 2d/3d competition just so long as they are different characters?

[SHockaday]

As quoted from the rules:

"Up to 10 000 tris max for everything (everything = characters, laser beams, shield effects, glows, other special effects, magical weapon, gear, steed(s), pet(s), twin(s), multiple characters, summoned monsters, personal equipment, etc)."

Question about this... I noticed that there was no "Summoner" class listed this year. Are Summoners allowed as a different class? If so, what are they considered, an invoker?

[Ace-Angel]

Aren't invokers another name for summoner?

[Draxxuss]

hmm... as much as I love DW and all it is meant to be.. I think the brief is too general this time around. we basically have the options and guidlines of the last 2 DW's mixed with a new Demon one. Norms, Bots, and Demons? hmmm.. I think narrowing it down to Demons alone would have made more sense in regards to the last DW's. I'd love to hear the reasoning behind combining all three into one... but I won't hold my breath for too long as I need to get started on something... no idea what as I can pretty well make whatever I want and it will fit in somewhere. ;)

[triatami]

ace-angel: no limit to how many parts it can be, only the texture is bound to 1 sheet

the guidelines on the powerful weapon rules mention chopsticks... so i'm guessing if you're weapon was a set of dual wield dagger, this would be alright. is this the case?

[SHockaday]

@Draxxuss: You know, I was thinking the same thing this morning as I read the brief. And weren't Demons allowed last year as part of the "magical" races? I'm not complaining or anything, but it's definitely waaaay broader a theme than I would have expected. I guess this will just let everyone play to their strengths(fairies, machines, etc)... I predict some serious competition this year! ;)

[Integrated]

Can you do two different entries, one robot one demon..? Or is that frowned upon / against the rules?

[SHockaday]

I'm pretty sure you can only enter one 3D and one 2D entry.

[jramauri]

Just to reinforce: Read the rules, guys, before make redundant question. The rules say you can enter both 2d and 3d, regardless you have different chars for each entry. And the rules say too that you can pick any race or class you want. So, you can do a robot and a demon, each one in one category, if you want.

Ace-angel: 1 No, you can break your char in thousand pieces, if you want. just the texture must be in one piece 2. Yeah, summoners and invokers do the same task.

DemonPrincess: yeah, you can make a princess.

damagecontrol: yes, this are on the rules.

Spambergo: answer above.

[NiGHTS2o06]

Wooooo!!!! Time to get busy!!!!!!!!!!

Ice/Cold Froggy Demon Lord here we go!!!!

[Arkadius]

hmm... as much as I love DW and all it is meant to be.. I think the brief is too general this time around. we basically have the options and guidlines of the last 2 DW's mixed with a new Demon one. Norms, Bots, and Demons? hmmm.. I think narrowing it down to Demons alone would have made more sense in regards to the last DW's. I'd love to hear the reasoning behind combining all three into one... but I won't hold my breath for too long as I need to get started on something... no idea what as I can pretty well make whatever I want and it will fit in somewhere. ;)

Yeah I thought the rules would have been a little less loose, not that I'm complaining, but for some reason I thought it would be a heaven vs hell type thing.

Either way let the war start!

[Blenderhead]

Yeah but Draxxus, a lot of people would be complaining if they had gone the other way. Say they had gone with a mechanical theme exclusively this year, which is what it seemed like would happen for a good while there. Half of the people hoping to enter would bail because they couldn't see an application of their beloved sculpting package.

[Fusspot]

Draxxuss: I had the same thought. I didn't participate last year, but this year's rules kinda take the zing out of it.

Nonetheless, it'll be a good challenge to come up with something new. :)

[Mr-Hades]

Whoo! Demons! :D Ah, my favorite thing to draw, paint, model, etc....

Hmm... I gotta figure out which one I want to enter... 2D or 3D.... I want to be a character artist someday, so I guess I should go for the 3D side of things....

Hmm... I was thinking about doing an Abomination as well... but I really need a good humanoid model to display. ...maybe I'll do abominations for 2D, and a Humanoid model for 3D...

[Integrated]

Sorry I wasn't clear - can you do two 3D entries, one robot and one demon? Or only one 3D entry per person?

[Zelenkov]

Awesome! A new cool race! I didn't see anything bout the prizes ......wut r they?

[Ace-Angel]

http://www.gameartisans.org/contests/dw/4/prizes/en.php

[Josh Singh]

WOW! Great Prizes! Very Generous of the Sponsors!
Tons of Crazy Bump Licenses being donated! If you haven't tried that program out, it's awesome. One of my "Secret Weapons".

[3dsquid]

cool prizes :D
i have a question, can we change the name of the character(/thread) in the future?
I want to start a new thread but i'm not sure about the name of my character..I know we can't do this in the previous competition but maybe this time we can? :D

[Yung]

Asking for a friend, is it alright for one artist to join two different 2d entries, let's say a norm and a demon?

[jramauri]

Sorry I wasn't clear - can you do two 3D entries, one robot and one demon? Or only one 3D entry per person?

Only one 3d entry.

Asking for a friend, is it alright for one artist to join two different 2d entries, let's say a norm and a demon?

No, only one 2d entry.

[Dash-X]

Okay... Question:

Last year, the powerful relic/weapon was prohibited to one element (for example, a dagger set couldn't have both light and darkness (it had to be either a set of light daggers or a set of dark daggers)). I don't see that rule in place this year. Does it still apply? Or can we make "single" weapons of dual elements? Also, aside from demons, I don't see a list of elements the Norms are allowed to use. Is there a restriction on Norm elements? Are they the same as last year?

Thank you.

[milansatan]

Insignia and Colors:
Your character MUST possess your team's colors and/or your team's insignia/logo. If you don't have the colors or the insignia located somewhere on your character, your entry will not make it into the top 50. Please represent your team properly. This is a team event so make your team proud!

So you do your individual character first and once the competition ends, you choose a teammate? Or does team means the forum you choose like GameArtisans is one team and CGSociety is another team? What is our team color?

[DreameR]

READ THE RULES THOROUGHLY BEFORE ASKING A QUESTION


Many of these questions are clearly stated in the brief but people are being to lazy to read them properly. You're just making more unnecessary work for the moderators

[Blenderhead]

Where can we get a PDF or similar of the DWIV logo?

EDIT: Just checked out those prizes; amazing. How are Digital Tutors gonna ship all those DVD's? lol. jolo88, you must be pretty happy to see a 3D print going for the first prize :)

[crazyhorse]

This is my first Dominance War competition. It says in the rules that you have to include your teams colors and/ or logo in your work. What does this mean?

[jolo88]

Pets and steeds are allowed for all races

now thats a rule :D

[Plex0r]

READ THE RULES THOROUGHLY BEFORE ASKING A QUESTION


Many of these questions are clearly stated in the brief but people are being to lazy to read them properly. You're just making more unnecessary work for the moderators


Well most people aren't being lazy. It's just the rules just been released seem kind of loose . For example demons..they are just trying to clearify instead of jumping into some thing and realizing they cant enter it because they didnt get a clear understanding of the rules they put out. They should expect people asking questions about these rules.

[Destructica]

guys i wish to draw a demon lord but can he control the electricity as a weapon(it can be considered as fire).if not i will imagine something with ice or death :paper:

[MDR]

This is going to be sweet! I have been working on my idea for a demon at work for most the day. I can't wait to see what everyone comes up with. Good luck to all:)

[Xaionz]

Nice Race, love it a new cast coming in :)

[gskanible]

I have a small question on the War Machine class.

I understand that in can't have any living flesh on it but can it have other inorganic materials attached to it besides metal like rocks, wood, or stone?

If no one has answered your question yet, here's how I interpreted that rule

They can't have any LIVING flesh, which would then declare it a cyborg. seeing how a rock isn't living those sorts of things would apply. I also interpreted it as to being able to have non living tissue involved in it as well, and I want to mention that so someone can correct me if i am wrong about that. non living tissue as in, the the war machine is encased within a large carcass of some sort. or norm giblets in its treads / on it's meat grinder type appendages

[Ace-Angel]

Question: The War Machine class is the 'Tank' of the machines. Nothing organic, pure strength and fairly big, but I didn't understand one thing, and that is:

only War Machines can be 100% vehicle, a mix between vehicle and robot, or a full robot.

I didn't get it, could be the fact that recently I finished watching Transformers and so it's interfering with my brain cells, but does this mean our character can be created to transform? Like a Huge Jet suddenly turns into a Bigun and comes powersliding on the roads before decapitating a demon?

Or does it refer to the Tank-Mecha machines which we see in Animes alot?

Assanine question, I know, but I'm a little bit confused...

[Canti_Cooly]

This is going to rock. Going to start sketching this week and will have something soon.

Ace i think the Tank-mecha is what they are talking about. Like giant tank treads and a robotic torso or just a giant freaking cannon. But i could be wrong.

[Dusty]

I have one rule, I must finish.

[Mrpearlzildjian]

I think my only real question is about the Demon Lord Character Class. I don't really understand the "no human characteristics" thing. So does that mean an elemental type or something, or can follow that loosely? I have a character idea worthy of a Demon Lord type, but he possesses basic human characteristics like most things(2 legs, 2 arms, central body and face, hands). Are we limited to making a Demon Amoeba or something? lol

Just to poke at a little irony, in your definition of Demon Lord, you state he can't have any human characteristics, than also state that he doesn't fight with his "hands".

Pardon me for being a smartass.:D

[SuPa-]

When I thought of the Demon Lord Character Class, I thought of those giant monstrosities from the first Hellboy movie. I hope that helps

[Cybertron]

@Ace-Angel: It seems that the War Machine class can either be a huge robot with arms and legs or it can have elements of a vehicle in the design, maybe it's equipped with jet propulsion, wheels or tracks on its lower body ( like a tank ). Cyborgs or scouts cannot have these features.

I don't think the War Machine is capable of transforming between shapes.

That's how I interpret the description at least. :think:

[Ace-Angel]

Thanks, I hope that's it. While I would find it intriguing to have a transforming unit, I would like to know how we would portray him in a static image...

[Cybertron]

@Ace-Angel:

Yeah, but then again, that's just my interpretation, the mods may say otherwise :)

But if you are unsure of how to portray a semi-vehicle robot, here's a fairly good example perhaps.

http://i.pbase.com/o6/80/15280/1/83312144.G59lI109.Destroyer3.jpg

[cashfire]

Yeah boi!! Its finally here Im loving the new demon class. For the Abomination class, it says that they use weapons or there bare teeth, so does that mean I can create any type of weapon for him?

[Mrpearlzildjian]

I'm just gonna post my concept later on and simply ask if it's doable as a Demon Lord or not. lol

Obviously, Demons are completely different in detail than a human or other creature, but almost everything has human traits. Like that Balrog Demon someone suggested, it is clearly a Demon, but it has human traits(2 arms, 2 legs, central body and face) in it's proportions. That's what I'm confused about. Because my character is clearly a huge winged, epic scaled, demon, but he, like almost everything has human traits of some kind.

[Twindragon]

Let it begin!!!!

[RabidKitten]

Can the top placers take cash instead?

[EVIL]

rabidkitten - that would mean that in case of 2d second place would get 3000 bucks (thats the price for the gnomon collection) and first place 2000 (depending on where you buy the cintiq)

[Prischool]

Errm.. wait, so here are the rules, but where do you enter? Did some one already ask that question? Am i being lame and not see it anywhere?!?! :(

[Prischool]

Blah.. i found it.. nevermind haha.. i WAS being LAME. lol

[Guedin]

@Ace-Angel: It seems that the War Machine class can either be a huge robot with arms and legs or it can have elements of a vehicle in the design, maybe it's equipped with jet propulsion, wheels or tracks on its lower body ( like a tank ). Cyborgs or scouts cannot have these features.

I hesitate between 2 classes : the stalker and the scout, and the first thing i was thinking about the scout is a robot with something like a jetpack to make him extemly mobile like it's said in the description ... but it seems like it doesn't match with yours, so now i'm a little confused.

I've another question : is norms can use technologic stuff ? just like the jetpack ? or thing like headphone with mic ?

[Addi]

Thanks to everyone involved in organising, doing a great job so far :thumb:

Read the thread and didnt see it mentioned and just wanted clarification on one thing...

Cyborg
Cyborgs are comprised of living body parts fused together with mechanical additions.

This sounds like a human with mechanical limbs (like Texhnolyze if anyones seen that?). But when I think cyborg I think Terminator (how cliché right? :lol: ), I'm sure it means like Terminator, which I'd prefer, just wanted to check which it means...

[Revliss]

ok this is not in the rule page so can i model a deamon for 3d and norm for the concept art ?..

oh and is the prize page up ??? where i don't see it ?

[Oddin]

This may be a stupid question but I just want to clarify...

On the rules page weapons are explained fairly in detail only for Norms
Now, I understand that machines can have chainguns, flamethrowers and such, but can I have a cyborg with a sword?
And what about demons - do they use only their powers + claws/whatever, or can I have a demon lord wield an icy axe for example

plus the rules don't mention sci fi weapons for Norms - does that mean they are restricted to low tech weapons like last year or a warlord can have a minigun for example?

Basically my question is : shouldn't the rules about weapons apply to all races instead just Norms? (keeping in mind that machines can't have magical arsenal)

[AyesDyef]

No additional characters, pets, animals, pieces of characters, dead characters, etc, can be put on your pedestal. Only Bones and skulls are fine.


What if my character was actually 2 robots and a pet? (same poly count ofcourse.)

They don't count as additional characters do they...?

[Ritorian]

i wouldnt think so, because that is yer character

[Ritorian]

whats the deal with the join up page, i cant get a thread going?

[Trigon]

Oh snap! It's on like donky kong!

I'm having a tough time deciding which way I want to go already...time to brainstorm! :)

[dark_virus_2007]

Did a demon last year might do a cyborg this year :P

[jandaku cintaku]

Finally.....ok then, where do i put my pencil..????:)

[Draxxuss]

hmm.. really don't want to name my thread yet as I don't have the race nailed down...

[Mutty6]

Fenixy asked this question earlier but I don't see an answer. maybe I missed it. Norms can only have one big super weapon. Things that come in pairs, can they count as a single super weapon? like a pair of gloves? a pair of boots? a pair of daggers? a pair of fist weapons?

[Hearshotkid02]

For the cyborgs... Can the organic bits be demon parts? Or do they have to be norm/bot hybrids?

[Mukhtar]

Say I want to make a scene for my Demon Prince holding/dragging a body that belongs to one of the other Classes...Is that allowed?

[jandaku cintaku]

Hearshotkid02 : yeah you could make the organic bits a demon bits..
Mukhtar : you could make that as long you keep it in your polygon budget..
correct me if i'm wrong please..

[Mukhtar]

nevermind i posted in the 3D one :/ my bad....but it still goes the same for 2D? (obviously not the polycount ha)

[Mrpearlzildjian]

Where is everyone posting their WIP threads?

[dragonsfx]

Where is everyone posting their WIP threads?

well, if you are with gameartisans, go to the very first post in this thread... and it will tell you.

[Vailias]

Ayes: IT just means that you can't use the unlimited polygons of your pedestal to make more character to your character. So no 10k poly Beastmaster of the wastes, with 30 5k beasts as part of the "pedestal". No 10k Blademaster of Ayarn, and have an arsenal of weaponry on the "pedestal"

Mutty: I think this is the same as last year. A matched pair of weapons counts as the single magical item, ala the weaponry of Taki, Voldo, and Sofitia from soul calibur. However if you wish to have your samurai carry the Solar Masamune then he can't also have the dagger of fire, the pole arm of really long reaching, and the amulet of immortality. He can have a really nice amulet, polearm, dagger, etc, but they can't be/look to be of great magical power, whereas their main armament should be and look like an epic weapon.

Oddin: Swords on bots are fine, just not magical ones.
A machine can wield a diamond coated vibroblade, a plasma saber or whatever, but it can't be an enchanted version of that weapon. To be on the safe side keep the swords material rather than energy based just so they don't look magical at a glance.
Also the norms are limited, or gifted, to magical weapons only. Just because a warlord can't summon great magical powers on his own, does not mean he cannot use a great weapon crafted for him by a team of mages. Use your imagination here, if you really want a chaingun wielding warlord, then what is the magical equivalent for a chaingun? Design it. I mean there is the basic spell of "magic missile" in D&D. And most spells can be placed into a wand, so if you take multiple wands of magic missile, mount them on a rotating wheel, powered by a hand crank or a small summoned imp running in a hamster wheel like apparatus, then rig that to a handle/control system that clicks the invocation for the wand every time it comes to the top position, then you've got a magical chaingun. OR have the wands be fairly small in size, just enough for one use, and place them in a long belt that feeds through a chamber with a blade that cracks open an end of the wand, releasing the spell inside it, which is then ducted in a direction by a magical resistance barrier. Now you have a magic missile machine gun. Think outside the box. Magic is a method. Fantasy settings with "magic" typically use medieval tech and setting by choice, not by necessity.

Magic is a method, elemental powers are a method, technology is a method. There is nothing keeping any of these from having swords, fists, or projectile weapons, its just a matter of what form the specific implementation of the weapon takes.
Take "electrical sword" for example:

Deamons would have a summoned blade of pure darkness crackling with destructive energy.
Norms would have an enchanted storm blade, crafted by the artisans of the great forge of Thor.
Machines would have an XK-45 shock blade, surrounded by high voltage arcs ducted from a small onboard fusion reactor.

[Cybertron]

I hesitate between 2 classes : the stalker and the scout, and the first thing i was thinking about the scout is a robot with something like a jetpack to make him extemly mobile like it's said in the description ... but it seems like it doesn't match with yours, so now i'm a little confused.

I've another question : is norms can use technologic stuff ? just like the jetpack ? or thing like headphone with mic ?

What I meant with having jet propulsion was that if the robot was part robot-part aircraft ( with jet engines).

I'm sure a jetpack doesn't count as a vehicle, as it would fit with a scout-type machine.

[Gaius]

HI Guys,

Has the GameArtisans Icon and colours for DMIV been picked yet?

And if so where can I find them?

Cheers. :)

[Aftermath]

HI Guys,

Has the GameArtisans Icon and colours for DMIV been picked yet?

And if so where can I find them?

Cheers. :)

http://gameartisans.org/forums/showthread.php?t=3200

Gold and Black are the colors.

[Mrpearlzildjian]

Checked the very first post, which is the rules. I don't see anything about where we post WIP threads.

[Genz]

I also see people post wip threads but the system is not ready yet...
What to do? Should i just start the thread manually??

[Mrpearlzildjian]

I'm just gonna start mine here, then move it over when the system is up.

[Karsh]

Yeah thats what everyone else is doing, just make sure you name it correctly.

[cyborgguineapig]

Funny reading all the questions. Here's my advice, stop fretting so much over the specifics of the rules and just make something COOL we can look at! I think that is the point of the rules being so OPEN to interpretation. Even if you don't win or you don't fall under the top 50 because you stray from the rules, QUALITY artwork is never ignored. Not encouraging anyone to go against the rules in your entree, just pointing out that good ideas don't always = great execution of said idea. Reading the rules with a fine tooth comb is like trying to understand why an author would use certain words in a book to explain something ( had to come up with some example) when you are overlooking the whole point of just reading the book to begin with.. er yeah...

Having said this, I have no idea what race I want to pick, I'll just be happy if I actually join this year and FINISH, regardless of whether or not I meet the rules exactly how they specify!

[Gaius]

Thank you :)

http://gameartisans.org/forums/showthread.php?t=3200

Gold and Black are the colors.

[Miscellaneous]

Hiya!

I plan on creating a demon that is about 8 feet tall that looks like a gargoyle with lava coursing her body, would she be considered a demon prince(cess) or are her characteristics out of the rules range?

Also,

She will be surrounded by an array of fire and lava that will make her 20X20X20 so would that mean she's a demon lord?



Have fun everyone!

[Rayph]

Woohoo, this is gonna be awesome!

GO-GO WAR MACHINE!

[ExanJU]

So Does the unlimited technology means, that my war machine could have several weapons? Because I think of war machines could be more like dreadnoughts of the of the battle field. Or am I limited to only one weapon suppa duppa like norms?

[dragonsfx]

Checked the very first post, which is the rules. I don't see anything about where we post WIP threads.

ok, sorry... i can't find it either. it was in one of the very first posts when the rules were posted. as i am not participating with GA i didn't pay a lot of attention to it. i think it was from fred, and he said that you should go ahead and make your wip threads now. i do not recall where he said to put them. and then once the entry system is up and running, register.

hth,
Levi

[Absorber]

Late post :phew: but lucky me that all you guys asked the things popped up in my head :lucky:

Ill just keep my mind open when I start sketching. Dont know which race ill choose.. I think the Demon or some Human with magic :cool:

Ok good luck guys!
I will now look where to post all the stuff when im done and then my Moleskin and I will make some hours! :o

[xerious3d]

Storyline and the Topic is Rocking - Not sure which race to go for yet, but i will keep concepting see which one feels comfortable and original.

Good luck to everyone! Can't wait to see what DW4 will bring out of all of you.

[Ducard]

I'm going for a norm warlord, is it okay to have bits of high tech looking stuff mixed with magical items? i was thinking more along the lines of this :

http://www.gameartisans.org/contests/events/2/team2/preview_finals_1_437.html


Looked over the rules a couple of times and i don't see this getting mentioned in there.

[Avarath]

Woooo! Time to concept.

[Miscellaneous]

Is there a senior member who can answer my question? Much appreciated!

I plan on creating a demon that is about 8 feet tall that looks like a gargoyle with lava coursing her body, would she be considered a demon prince(cess) or are her characteristics out of the rules range?

Also,

She will be surrounded by an array of fire and lava that will make her 20X20X20 so would that mean she's a demon lord?



Have fun everyone!

[Hearshotkid02]

Ok... The idea that was festering in the back of my head finally beat the character I started a thread on to death... With a rusty crowbar... I just have a few questions now.

1) Can I just re-title my thread and edit out all of my previous stuff to make the new one? Or should I ask for someone to delete the old and make a new thread?

2) For cyborgs, do they have to be mobile? Or can they be a stationary, more back-line/support character?

3) If I can keep it under 10k and within the texture space, can I make 2 cyborgs as 1 entry? One would kind of be the 'controller' of the other in some ways.

4) I never got a clear answer before, but I'm pretty sure I know. Wanna double check though... 10k polys = 10k tri for this comp right? I would figure it did just because of last year's entries. Just want to make extra sure though so I don't go about 5k tris over the actual limit.

Sorry if these are questions that have been asked. I looked through most of the posts and didn't see much that refers to this other than a vague-ish answer about the polys. Could have missed something though. Thanks :)

[OrganizedChaos]

Regarding the norms and their magical powers, does it have to be only one type, (for example a fire mage) or can you use different combinations of magic (for example a mage that can shoot fire but also ice)?

[sakanagih]

If my character is a demon with the power of death / darkness, it can invoke the dead? Or since aberrations include undeads that would be considered a mixture? :paper:

[dkreset]

all right so, I've pmed and emailed fred personally to ask this question, but I'm sure he's really busy at the moment. However I'd really appreciate if someone can tell me this assumption is right or wrong according to the rule :

So the era is set in a post apocalyptic time period, can the norms have any technology based stuff at all? say a magic amplifier type of weapon or armor?

[dragonsfx]

all right so, I've pmed and emailed fred personally to ask this question, but I'm sure he's really busy at the moment. However I'd really appreciate if someone can tell me this assumption is right or wrong according to the rule :

So the era is set in a post apocalyptic time period, can the norms have any technology based stuff at all? say a magic amplifier type of weapon or armor?

well, my take on it (from what the rules say as well as all the posts up until now, and referencing DWIII) is that i don't see why armour would be a problem. also, you are allowed (as a norm) to have one MAJOR magical item (bfg) and any number of smaller magical items and back ups. as far as the 'tech" thing... i would think that any kind of "mechanical" or "technological" device would be relegated to the "machine" side and, hence, you couldn't use anything like this or you would violate the "(choose only one. No combinations of any sort are allowed." rule of the "Races and Character Classes:" section on the rules page.

hth,
Levi

[jandaku cintaku]

ok hopefully someone can correct me if i'm wrong here..:
dkreset : I believe norms can only can be equipped with magical weapon or standard weaponry, no high tech weapon and armor allowed for them...
Miscellaneous : I think yer character considered demon lord...
Hearshotkid02 : as long as yer character consist on the regulated poly budget, off course why not...but I think it would be best if you pick one character as main character and the other one play as sidekick which is similar as pets, steeds, etc...

[dkreset]

GOD I'm retarded lol. Thanks for clearing this up guys. I kept wondering if I could have some technology based stuff for norms, but something in the back of my head kept telling me know... BECAUSE I READ THAT PART OF THE RULE BEFORE !! (no combination)......... when I went back and checked the rules I kept looking into the race specifics not the general rules on top of them lol....

thanks a lot guys!

[Hearshotkid02]

Yeah, I plan to have one be the lead, and the other be it's 'handler' or 'controller' I guess you could say.

[Ducard]

Does a conventional firearm (one with no electronics present) count as standard weapon for norms? A blessed/enchanted gun to be more precise?

[Mrpearlzildjian]

I'm still up in the air about the no human characteristics for Demon Lords issue. I see plenty of entries as Lords with 2 arms, 2 feet, etc. I guess what I'm asking is if it is completely identifiable as a Demon with no signs of being Human, can it have (2 arms, 2 feet, 2 eyes) etc. Because almost everything has human traits in one way or another. I am entering as a Demon Prince for the moment, but if I can justify my guy being a Lord without breaking the rules, let me know. THANKS :)

My concept VVVV

http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f205/Mrpearlzildjian/DW2_RC_2.jpg

[l33t]

please don't post concepts here... that's not what this thread is for

[jandaku cintaku]

Ducard : yes i believe gun count as conventional weapon, and allowed for norms...
And for all, we still haven't figure where to put our concept since there's no link to that yet...and I know how excited we all about DW IV but since this thread use for DW IV rules, I agree with l33t that we should put our concept to ourself 'till further notice or link....
again someone pleeaasseee correct me if I'm wrong here...:lucky: still that's cool concept..:D

[Mrpearlzildjian]

I wasn't posting it as part of a wip, it was in relation to my question about Demon Lords and human characteristics

[KewopDecam]

where do you make your own thread for your DWIV character or is that not available on GA yet?

[Styx]

where do you make your own thread for your DWIV character or is that not available on GA yet?

here: http://www.gameartisans.org/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=20

; )

[Miscellaneous]

jandaku cintaku: Thank you for your answer that helps!

[FredH]

The rules have been changed to:

- Demon Lords are larger than 20x20x20 feet and do not possess many human characteristics.

As long as your demon lord doesn't look like a larger version of a man or woman, you are good to go. The image on the left of the demons is a good example of where to start.

[FredH]

Miscellaneous - Your gargoyle is fine:thumb:

dkreset - yeah, careful with putting too much tech on your entry because if you lable your character as a norm Warlord and he looks like a cyborg in the end, there could be an issue.

sakanagih - best to play it safe and not invoke the dead if you think it might be a rule violation of having both in.

OrganizedChaos - the rules gives no hint of invokers or clerics being locked into one element. Do as you wish.

[goast666]

I was going to post the word that I got from Fred about the Demon Lords but he beat me to it.

[sakanagih]

sakanagih - best to play it safe and not invoke the dead if you think it might be a rule violation of having both in.



Ok. Thanks ,Fred. but you do not think odd a infernal lord or prince with the power of death that can not raise the dead?

And a if its only a ghost? A ghost is considered a undead too?

[KewopDecam]

here: http://www.gameartisans.org/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=20

; )

Thanks a lot :)

[FredH]

sakanagih - Odd? Sure. Regardless, I leave it up to your imagination to find a way around it since there are millions of possibilities of what can be done with Great Demon Lords of Darkness without having to resort to mundane undead summoning.

[Styx]

FredH: what about pistols or something for norms. how far can we go?
is a flintrock pistol ok, can we use a revolver or something?
is it possible to give us a year of the real world, so we can say, "weapons until THIS tech level, not higher!" ?

[David-J]

hi everyone,

I'm very excited about DW. I just had one question. I read the entire FAQ and couldn't find a clear final answer on this and I just want to double check on this.

I know in the rules it states:

"Your character MUST possess your team's colors and/or your team's insignia/logo."

Does this mean I can enter representing GameArtisans make a character with a cool palette (blue and green) and just by placing the GameArtisans team logo on my character I comply with that requirement even though my color palette is clearly not GameArtisans's one?

Cheers everyone and good luck.

[walrus]

There IS an 'or' in the sentence you quoted, so it seems clear that if you aren't going to use the team colors, you must use the team palette.

In respnse to some of the other questions asked above, I'd just like to post this quote that I particularly liked from Fred from an interview about DW4 posted over on CGTalk (http://features.cgsociety.org/story_custom.php?story_id=4894&page=2):

It might be tempting to create an entry that pushes or bends the rules, but if you look at previous champions, they are all perfect examples of the topics they represent. In 2006, rawkstar’s entry, General Crom, was a perfect War General. In 2007, Team Bigun’s entry was a fantastic Shadow type character perfectly equipped for mass extermination. In 2008, parkparkin’s 3d final looked like a perfect War Lord with a highly magical weapon and JerryJ’s 2d queen-like creation, flying impervious to all attacks, was perfect for destroying all opposition.

My take-away from this is basically that it doesn't help you to try to stretch the rules. If the rules say "you can only have a single extremely powerful magical weapon" then that's what judges will look for, not some high-tech weapon that you're passing off as magic. If the rules say "Demon Lords... do not possess many human characteristics" then you're not winning many points by trying to cram your humanoid character into that category. The categories this year are wildly open and wide enough for many, many designs to fit in them without people having to stretch so much to bend what limitations there are. Rad the rules and design your characters to fit within them, not the other way around! :)

[nihilicon]

hi everyone,

I'm very excited about DW. I just had one question. I read the entire FAQ and couldn't find a clear final answer on this and I just want to double check on this.

I know in the rules it states:

"Your character MUST possess your team's colors and/or your team's insignia/logo."

Does this mean I can enter representing GameArtisans make a character with a cool palette (blue and green) and just by placing the GameArtisans team logo on my character I comply with that requirement even though my color palette is clearly not GameArtisans's one?

Cheers everyone and good luck.

I'd be interested to hear the answer to this one as I'd agree that the rules here are vague and I've fallen foul of this before by my entry being disqualified from Unearthly Challenge because the overall image palette was not in the team colours (entirely my fault). It's made me wary about choice of colour in this one for obvious reasons. I'd suspect that to stay safe you should make sure that the overall image palette/texture colours are indicative of the team colours.

But to re-iterate the question . . . how far can we push the overall image palette?

BTW: Does anyone know when the mini results will be announced?

[Styx]

David-J / nihilicon: last year the teamcolors of GA was gold and black, i think its the same this year.
your characters must have this colors on some equipment and the logo must anywhere on the character (ob a place anybody can see it).

[FredH]

Well said Walrus:)

David-J - The rules state "and/or" so nothing is stopping you from making a green guy and putting a sword logo on it to complete your entry:)

The colors for GA is still Gold and Black.

[David-J]

Thanks FredH and walrus. Pretty much Fredh's quote sums it all up. Thanks guys good luck.

[nihilicon]

Thanks FredH and walrus. Pretty much Fredh's quote sums it all up. Thanks guys good luck.

Yup! It's those little 'and/ors' that my eyes seem to miss so often :-)
Thank you.

[Mrpearlzildjian]

Thanks for the answer Fredrick. You don't mind that I called you Fredrick do you? lol

[xerious3d]

So i had a quick question on "Norms", says it includes aliens, mutants and so forth. Does these aliens / mutants have to be humanistic? 2 arms and 2 legs? Or can it be overall organic, doesn't matter how many arms/legs it has or how strange it may look?

[WhiteGuardian]

According to the rules that said we MUST make a pedestal for our presentation. If my character was a flying/floating object, have i still to make the pedestal? Or have any idea?

Second question, if i join both 2d and 3d section. May i chose same race? Example, demon race for 2d and demon race for 3d, but still with different backstory and concept i mean. May i do that?

Thanks for the answers :)

[Oddin]

Hi... another question...

Regarding having demon parts on a cyborg. It can be considered mixing races, but isn't "normal" cyborg a mix between a norm and a machine?

This been answered before by jandaku cintaku
As i see he isn't a mod, but mods haven't corrected him so I guess he's not wrong. Plus there are some wips out there already with cyborgs having demon parts

Nevertheless I'd like to be 100% sure here, while there's still time to adjust my concept.

It would be nice to have straightforward yes or no on the cyborg with demon parts question form the authorities :)
That way I can change my guy on time, and perhaps warn other people that are doing the same thing.

thanks in advance

[FredH]

Mrpearlz - Fred or the full verion is fine. Helps if you spell it right though:p

whiteguardian - For pedestal, perhaps you can make him jump off a rock type pedestal, or have him hovering over a pedestal. There should be some way to keep to the rules even though he is flying. As for creating a demon for both 2d and 3d, yes, this is perfectly fine.

Oddin - yes, making a cyborg out of demon parts is fine.

Cyrael -
David-J - The rules state "and/or" so nothing is stopping you from making a green guy and putting a sword logo on it to complete your entry

[Cyrael]

thanks, figured I was looking in the wrong place..

[Blenderhead]

I've fallen foul of this before by my entry being disqualified from Unearthly Challenge because the overall image palette was not in the team colours (entirely my fault).

Really? wow. I can understand sporting the team colours in DW, but UC? And getting your entry disqualified because of it? I think that's a little much. If I saw a UC entry that was predominantly black and yellow I would think the art direction was of...:think: Or was there the option to stick the logo in a few places instead?

[3d_er]

After looking at the entry, aside from the green and yellow polycount colors, missed that whole good/evil thing too.

[ivaj]

hey there, I was wondering if I can create a magic powered gun, for the invoker? Just curious, because the examples didn't list a projectile type weapon.

[Nether]

Kinda stupid question:
The rules for DW4 demons state that they are prohibited the use of vehicles. My entry so far has a demon lord encased in ice atop a floating platform pulled by undead abominations. Does it count as a vehicle?

[DreameR]

~ Nether;
I don't think I'm wrong on this one - carrying or pulling someone isn't considered a 'vehicle'.

~ Ivaj;
Magic has always been associated with projectiles and it seems to be fine to have a 'magic gun' as long as it looks magic. Last year there was no technology allowed at all but people still had magical guns.

An example of a magic cannon that was allowed: Click Here (http://www.gameartisans.org/contests/events/3/team4/preview_finals_1_2968.html)

[Blenderhead]

After looking at the entry, aside from the green and yellow polycount colors, missed that whole good/evil thing too.

So? Warrants automatic disqualification, does it?

[HCG_89]

hi guys,
im new to dominance wars, im planning on entering the contest with a norm
this may be a silly question but i noticed that in the rules its specified the we need to include our team´s color and logo somewhere in the project, but where can i get the logo, or for that matter what colors to use???
thanks

[ivaj]

@DreameR - Thanks!

[Styx]

HCG_89: here is the logo (the sword ^^) and team colors are gold and black.
http://www.gameartisans.org/forums/showthread.php?t=3200

[HCG_89]

thanks alot men

[l33t]

any feedback on the main entry system would be GREATLY appreciated.

[WhiteGuardian]

fredh
Sorry fredh, forget to say thx to your answer. :)
Will you join the war this year?

[goast666]

Alright...not a real good question...and One I will probably just shy away from because I think it is getting pretty close to that gray area. Anyway, lets say a demon prince is born. His father fears for his rule from his sons power. His father enlists a Norm to place magic wrappings around his son to keep his powers from fully surfacing? I can probably rework my idea to better fit into the category of the demon prince...I was just wondering if that is too close to actually put in my brief...the whole, demons "using" magic thing. He's not really using magic, it's being used on him in a NEGATIVE way no less. But eh? I'll see what the crowd and Mods think

[attapon]

hello guy my name is attapon:)

[richkid]

quick question, not sure if it has popped up yet. are norms able to use technology again? last year we were at a point where there were no guns or tech. just seeing if gats and robotic limbs are out if you are a fleshy

[shigee]

For norms, it says there is a *single powerful magic weapon* requirement.

This is just for norms right? Or does it apply to all races?

[nolimitz]

Hey all!

This is my first Dominance War, and I'm pretty pumped. I want to make sure my entry is submitted correctly, and I have a few questions:

First off, we need to pick a forum? (i.e. cgsociety) Do I need permission from the website, or is being registered enough?.

Do we need to create a forum thread there(cgsociety) as well as on the gameartisans website, or will just the gameartisans thread be enough?

Are cgsociety's colours red and black?

Any help would be appreciated. Concept work going up shortly.

[walrus]

To be on CGSociety's team, you need to be a registered for that site and create a thread in the appropriate forum, in this specific case, their Dominance War IV forum. (http://forums.cgsociety.org/forumdisplay.php?f=282) Yes, tehir colors are red and black and grey, and you can find out all the specifics of their exact colors and logo on their FAQ thread. (http://forums.cgsociety.org/showthread.php?f=282&t=728088) Please make sure you read all of the FAQ and the rules posterd there too.

Shigee: Yes, just an artifact for the Norms. Machines don't need them - they kick but using advanced technology and are not allowed to use magic.

[Cyrael]

Is it possible for a demon to control more than one type of inborn fusion? say an ice demon with fire wings? what if her mother was an ice demon and her father a fire demon.. would she be born powerless? or uber powerful.. i'm going for the latter.. hopefully.:-D

[goast666]

Is it possible for a demon to control more than one type of inborn fusion? say an ice demon with fire wings? what if her mother was an ice demon and her father a fire demon.. would she be born powerless? or uber powerful.. i'm going for the latter.. hopefully.:-D

"Demons cannot manipulate or wield magic, but they do possess a single fusion of power with one of the following elements: Fire/lava or Ice/cold or Death/Darkness."

So I would say no as to the two elements.

[Shinsen]

I am about to post my concept art in the entry thread, but Inoticed in the rules it has to bear the GA logo, which is a sword pointing upwards, and I fail to see where I can get the logo, I searched on the website and couldnt find it.

Any help?

[qsort]

...

Any help?

here ya' go

http://www.gameartisans.org/forums/showthread.php?t=3200 (sword)

[Shinsen]

here ya' go

http://www.gameartisans.org/forums/showthread.php?t=3200 (sword)

sweet thanks, I actually found the thread 2 seconds ago, someone must have bumped it, or Im just retarded and didnt see it :( :inocent:

[Yinn]

Can Abomations be mostly humanoid and wear clothes, as long as they don't have any magical abilities?
I mean they can have weapons and they can be "undead" or "disfigured". Can it be like a "mutated" human?

Or is a human with demon/monster-like attributes better suited for a Demon Prince?

[Kanie47]

Hello everyone,

I just have a little question, and this seems to be the place to do it.

Is it aloud to use the GA logo in for example a military badge or does the Logo have to be on it's own? And is the color scheme of black and gold also mandatory for the logo?

Thanx! Really excited to be taking part in my first DW :thumb:

[ReplicA]

This is my entry, and I have a question about an idea I want to do with him when nearly done.

http://img136.imageshack.us/img136/9319/dw406.jpg (http://img136.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dw406.jpg)


He's an Abomination class, and I want to have some smoky, firey, effects coming out of his mask, but the rules state that the abominations can not wield magic. This isn't magic per se, but just a visual effect on the level of evil he has within him. Can I add this effect, or will it break the rules? Thanks

[ZDCoe]

Maybe this was already answered, and if so I apologize: So, since there's no official entry system like last year and we're just making a new thread on our own, do we not get a personal entry page for a thumbnail, or to submit our final pieces through? And, if not, how WILL we submit our final pics for official submission?

[FredH]

There will be a submission system, but it has been delayed due to gdc. For now, keep working on your entries. Once the system is up, it's going to be great to see what everyone around the world has been up to:)

http://www.gameartisans.org/dominancewar/homepage/index.php

replica - if the rules say abominations can't use magic, regardless of how you explain the effects, it would be bad to label your character as an abomination and show fire effects.

Kanie47 - the logo can be amongst other logos and the logo does not have to use the colors of GA. It can be any color:)

Yinn - you could make a disfigured human as an abomination. In fact, most horror movies use disfigured humans from hell to portray horror, so this is perfectly fine.

[ReplicA]

Thanks, Fred, just thought I'd make double sure before trying it. So firey smoky effect is out.

[Digital3d]

HI,
I have a query regarding Scout(machine race). Can a vehicle (a car vid scout features n all) with Specs given under that category qualify as Scout?

[Kanie47]

Thanx FredH

I'll get crackin right away :lucky:

[Eclipse]

Why can't I find a link to these rules on the main page of Dominance War.com??? hell they aren't anywhere to be found on dominancewar.com what gives? I have to look no the boards, then in this board, I didn't even see them on the dom war boards, kinda weird..

[WarNoodle]

http://www.gameartisans.org/contests/dw/4/rules/en.php

Here you go Eclipse, these are the rules

[Eclipse]

I know where they are, it's the name of this thread, haha. That's why I posted it, it relates to the Dom War Rules.

I am just saying that since Dom War 4 is, you know, going on right now, it might be kinda useful to have that information on the main dominance war page! or at least a link to it or something, right now there is nothing! You cannot find the brief, prizes, or anything looking on the Dominancewar.com site.

[WarNoodle]

http://www.gameartisans.org/dominancewar/index.htm

well right here you can click on prizes and a few other things and view at least those. Not sure if that still answers any of your questions.

[mdrid]

Hi, the DW4 really making things pump.

Anyway, this one rule 'No Teams, groups or collaborations. Everything must be made by 1 single person'

Does that mean when u r makin the concept art for the 3D category, it should be yours not by your friend is it? I mean though the idea is from ourself. Of course the 3D part we should do it ourself.

[walrus]

mdrid: the 'everything' in 'Everything must be made by one single person' means EVERYTHING.

[mdrid]

thnkz walrus

things clear up now, heh3. I ll be posting my sketches as soon as possible

[Destructica]

where do we post our works in progress?

[WhiteGuardian]

You must post your wip in
http://www.gameartisans.org/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=22 (for 2D)
or
http://www.gameartisans.org/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=20 (for 3D)

:)

[Razvan-Sedekiah]

MAGIC WEAPONS AND/OR ARTIFACTS???

There is tricky wording regarding Norms...
Last year every Norm HAD to have a magic weapon/artifact... but his year it gives a choice???

**I noticed that under "Dominance War IV Race: Norms" it says:
"Only norms are able to use magic. They can use it via an extremely powerful magical weapon or they can create and manipulate it themselves with invoker and clericon spell powers."

"or they can create and manipulate it themselves"

It clearly says "or".

Is a magic weapon is required for each Norm?

Can I get the meaning of this from someone running the contest?

**Later it says:
"Powerful Magical Weapon:
Powerful magical weapons are needed to aid you in your battle against all opposing forces. Your character "MUST" have a single powerful magical weapon."

**I am a bit confused. Can you be a Clericon who has a Magic Weapon?

**Is a magic weapon the same as an artifact?

**Does every character need a magic weapon?

[Destructica]

and then,how much time left do we have?

[Razvan-Sedekiah]

Also, are we allowed multiple entries?

[WhiteGuardian]

Destructica
Deadline : 11th May
:)

Razvan-Sedekiah
You may join both section (2d and 3d), but with different characters. All must be different. :)

[Razvan-Sedekiah]

WhiteGaurdian- Does that mean we cannot have two entrees, both in 2D that are different?

[bin]

@Razvan-Sedekiah

**I am a bit confused. Can you be a Clericon who has a Magic Weapon?

yes u can

**Is a magic weapon the same as an artifact?

yes it is

**Does every character need a magic weapon?

every norm need one. other race can,t have one.

"Only norms are able to use magic. They can use it via an extremely powerful magical weapon or they can create and manipulate it themselves with invoker and clericon spell powers."

clericon & invoker can cast magic even without their magical weapon. but they still need the magic weapon. why would they need it then? use your imagination :p / it could be their lifesource, magic amplifier. it could be anything!

Is a magic weapon is required for each Norm?

yes. it,s mandatory.

HTH

[rv_el]

If you choose to do a demon your character HAS to involve Fire or Ice or Darkness powers right?

I'm seeing a lot of demon entries but most people say "i'm doing a demon" and then i get no real sense of element fusion. They don't state it and their concepts dont really show it.... Are people sticking to this?

[Destructica]

thanks a lot.actually i had some other questions but now i forgot them.sorry for posting them separately.will be posting my stuff soon

[richiewu1986]

I want to make a norm invoker with a summon for my entry, and I want to make a dao-shi (Daoist spellcaster/necromancer) controlling a Jiangshi (guardian zombie), Jiangshi are those hopping undead dressed in black robes in those old Chinese movies, they're pretty much dead human corpse animated by a dao-shi. Is my entry ok? I fear that a Jiangshi would fall into the abomination class... well I guess can always change the story to fit the rules...

here's a link that talks a little bit about Jiangshi: http://coolthingsinrandomplaces.com/jiang-shi-chinese-hopping-vampires/

[WhiteGuardian]

Razvan-Sedekiah
Yupe. If you wanna go with 2 entries, you only can do 1 in 2D and 1 in 3D.
:)

[Razvan-Sedekiah]

WhiteGuardian, awww, too bad! XD
Thanx for the info!

[JakeLV426]

I have a question, unsure if it's been addressed. I'm guessing it's ok to post a dual thread on ZbrushCentral, because they aren't competing?

[chai]

I think there's an error in the medal tally on the main page, the medals don't add up.
4 gold/silver medals but 5 bronze medals.
Looking at it closely, I don't see any war gameartisan got a bronze medal, might be a mistake ?

[nihilicon]

Demon power fusion question:

Demons cannot manipulate or wield magic, but they do possess a single fusion of power with one of the following elements: Fire/lava or Ice/cold or Death/Darkness

I'm planning a character that will be a demon of "sea-death", her victims will be filled from the inside with dark sea water which drowns them or instantly corrodes the innards and fuses circuitry for machines . . . would this be considered an acceptable interpretation of the Death/Darkness power fusion? or is it too rooted in another element because it uses water? I can see there might be a bit of a grey area between 'power fusion' and 'magic' :)

(I've read the entire thread but can't see anything that answers this. Thanks in advance to anyone who can clear this for me.)

[Dargon]

I have a question pertaining to my entry specifically. It says in the rules:

Your Presentation Pedestal's Budget:
ALL 3d entries must include a pedestal in their Presentation Image. You have unrestricted polygons and textures to create a pedestal with the following guidelines:
A pedestal is NOT a floor and/or it is NOT a room. It's a block, pillar, coffin, box, crate, stone slab, etc. Pedestal Examples: Hela by Chang Gun Nam | The Mole by Rémi Monier No additional weapons or gear that your character can pick up and use can be put on the pedestal. No additional characters, pets, animals, pieces of characters, dead characters, etc, can be put on your pedestal. Only Bones and skulls are fine.


My intent is to do a pedastal which centers around a stone angel statue. Pretty sure it counts as a pillar, stone slab, etc, but I just wanted to make sure that it wouldn't be considered a character, piece of character, dead character etc.

Any reason I should avoid the statue idea?

I did note that in the Hela by Chang Gun Nam example, there's figures in the base, presumably they're statues, does that imply statues are O.K.?

[jocz]

magic types for norms have been deleted ?
does that mean we can invent any type of magic for norms ?
I had a dream about donuts magic powers

[Xero]

@Razvan-Sedekiah

**I am a bit confused. Can you be a Clericon who has a Magic Weapon?

yes u can

**Is a magic weapon the same as an artifact?

yes it is

**Does every character need a magic weapon?

every norm need one. other race can,t have one.

"Only norms are able to use magic. They can use it via an extremely powerful magical weapon or they can create and manipulate it themselves with invoker and clericon spell powers."

clericon & invoker can cast magic even without their magical weapon. but they still need the magic weapon. why would they need it then? use your imagination :p / it could be their lifesource, magic amplifier. it could be anything!

Is a magic weapon is required for each Norm?

yes. it,s mandatory.

HTH

Thanks for that reply. I was just about to ask about that very same thing.

[Rambozo]

nihilicon kindly directed me here regarding a question I had with the rules. Unfortunately I didn't find a specific answer in this thread though (maybe I simply missed it). Basically the rules state we have to include our team logo and/or colours on the character. That's pretty straight forward.

I was wondering about the specifics of the "colour" rule though. Do we have to use the black and gold colour scheme throughout the design ? Do they have to be the major colours on the whole body ? Or can it be a colour code on a small portion of the character ? For instance, the character's got blue armour let's say but has a shield painted in black and gold. Or have a half-black half-gold rectangle painted on the forehead of that blue armour. Like a military patch of gold and black type of thing, would that be accepted ?

While I'm here, Nihilicon brought up another point I wasn't 100% sure on : Technology for norms.

Now I have no intention of having mechanical-spider-arms popping out of a norm or anything extravagant like that. But I was thinking : can we have like grenades or night-vision goggles or that type of thing though in the design ("technological" tools, not body modifications) ? The main artefact would still be magical, I'm just thinkin' can we have SWAT team armour or something that looks more "technological" than a Normand battle-axe you know ?

Alright cheers !!

[Amethyst]

Rambozo: team logo and/or colours. I have seen golden flags with a black sword, jewelry in form of sword, bodypaint as a sword and black& gold could be a headband, somewhere on the pedestal. May I suggest you look at some earlier Wars and you will see the sword in many different colours and materials. I hope this answers your first question. Good Luck in the WAR!:thumb: :)

[Rambozo]

Rambozo: team logo and/or colours. I have seen golden flags with a black sword, jewelry in form of sword, bodypaint as a sword and black& gold could be a headband, somewhere on the pedestal. May I suggest you look at some earlier Wars and you will see the sword in many different colours and materials. I hope this answers your first question. Good Luck in the WAR!:thumb: :)

Cheers for the response :) Well I actually want to avoid using the sword all together :)

That's why I'm trying to figure out to what extent the colours on their OWN must be present in the design. Like the gold and black head band, that's pretty much the type of example I had in mind so, if that works all's well :)

That's a good suggestion to check out the old winners. I'll try and find them right now actually, cheers !

[jocz]

magic types for norms have been deleted ?
does that mean we can invent any type of magic for norms ?
I had a dream about donuts magic powers

up !
just to add that I'm wondering if water magic power is authorized ?

[WhiteGuardian]

For this year, is that true we must make the color version for the modeling sheet. I mean for 2d entry?
Last year we can go only with monocrome color. :think:

[walrus]

Quote from FredH from a different thread:

Yup yup, modeling sheets are go for color this year

That means you have the option to make your model sheets in color. It doesn't necessarily mean that you must! :)

[Parnell]

Lighting/rendering: All lighting/rendering solutions from any software package on planet earth, is allowed.

Presentation Shot
Post effects from 3d softwares or 2d programs like Photoshop are NOT allowed in this image. The only adjustments allowed are: Brightness/Contrast, and Hue/Saturation. Background must be a flat textured (grainy, etc) image or a pure or gradient color. You cannot put any objects, stars, things, fire, or people in your background.

So ANY lighting solution? Does this mean the tried and true '3 point light' setup for the presentation shot is no more? I can use 3 omnis, a spot and a skylight if i wanted now?
B

[Aftermath]

Yes any lighting solution can be used to create the effect you want. The post effects issue are more along the lines of people doing more then they should in photoshop to the actual render.

MSN broken? :)

[bin]

any rumours on extension yet? :p

[chai]

any rumours on extension yet? :p

I'm keeping my fingers crossed, as I won't have any time for presentation renders otherwise :X

[Parnell]

I asked Fred 4 weeks ago about an extension cause I could see the entries were not where they needed to be to get 100% done IMO.
Basically, he said he doesn't believe there would be a extension as mini#2 begins soon after and Korea was/is planning an award ceremony on a locked date in June. He said he was 75% sure there would be no extension. If there was to be an extension it'd be like 2-3 days max.
So looks like we just gotta pull up the bootstraps!!
B

[JacqueChoi]

I asked Fred 4 weeks ago about an extension cause I could see the entries were not where they needed to be to get 100% done IMO.
Basically, he said he doesn't believe there would be a extension as mini#2 begins soon after and Korea was/is planning an award ceremony on a locked date in June. He said he was 75% sure there would be no extension. If there was to be an extension it'd be like 2-3 days max.
So looks like we just gotta pull up the bootstraps!!
B

:'(


waahhhhh


but but but... it it it started 2 days late!

:D

k, I think... (cough) im coming down.. with (cough) some kind of flu... after (hack WHEEEEZE) eating all that pork, and ham.. Sniff **Cough Cough** and getting jiggy with mexican.. *haccckkkk* prostitutes....


Don't think I'll (cough) be able to make it (cough) in this week...

[BiG ToE]

sounds like you got the herpes. Get that checked out.

[Yung]

Is multiple UV's allowed?

[BiG ToE]

yes yung, yes they are.

[Parnell]

yes yung, yes they are.

Whoa wait...multiple UV channels are allowed?? So you could tile detail maps?!?!!
B

[jocz]

ho ...
that would be cool to put a list of things that are allowed,
I read on the french forum that we can use a cube map for the rendering ... I was thinking of putting it in a corner into my diffuse map before being aware of this.

[Parnell]

Ya now I'm totally confused as to just what is allowed.
B

[DreameR]

~ What? I'm pretty sure it can only be a single UV.

[BiG ToE]

Multiple uv sets is fine BiGToE:)



That's what the man said.

[Yung]

Woot! Cool! Now I can go try some stuffs!

Thanks alot for the info, Bigtoe!

[Lunatic]

but we are not allowed to break our map into smaller ones... so how can we use multiple uv sets then?

cause if i use a tiled a deteil texture i would have a new sheet


if multiple uv sets are allowed then where is the point of a 2k limitation?

i am just a bit confused :(